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1x10 for bass enough?

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bassolp

Nov 27, 2008
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QUÉBEC ca
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bass player for Cavalia
#1
hey i folks


so i plan to make me a tiny rig that can be travel easely for little gig . my plan was to build a 1x10 cab whit a eminence 300watt in 8 ohm . my head is a ampeg b-5r whit 220 watt of power in 8 ohm. So the question is ... do you thinks this rig will work in a little gig situation ... or do i have enough power to play whit a little jazz quartet while cutting trouhg the mix and well be heard

(im a Québecois so that why my english is that poor)


phil:)
 
#3
It may be easier to find a used 1x10 or 1x12 cabinet.

You would have to do a proper cab design based on your exact choice of speaker, then build it. Building your own cabinet isn't always cheaper than finding a used one.

Also, if you don't like the tone of your home-built cabinet, there is little you can do to correct it. With a commercial cabs, you can try different brands till you find the tone you like.
 
#4
i just bought today to a stringed instrument maker an empty 1x10 cab closed back that will fitted well whit the description i'll read on the eminence peaker (altrought it's a eminence gamma )

i was thinking to put some stuf in the cabinet to pad it i saw this in a vintage ampeg cabinet do you think it's gonna help to get more bottom in the sound

thanks

phil
 
#6
Won't get more bottom but it will get less bouncing around of standing waves inside, which is a good thing.

I gotta say, though, that unless you run through a PA, a single 10" won't usually cut it for most gigs. A single 12" barely cuts it, and that has to be a good one. Worth a shot, though...all you have to lose is money and time ;)
 
#9
im just waitting for the speaker that i bought on ebay for 75$ and the cab cost me 20 bucks so im realy happy whit the price. i got gig every weekend at the same place in a little coffe bar and it realy irritate me to carry every week a big 1x15 ampeg that weight over 60lbs and a big 4 space rackmount.

if some of you have picture of your little but powerfull rig just add it on this thread it will be nice
 
#12
bassolp said:
so i plan to make me a tiny rig that can be travel easely for little gig . my plan was to build a 1x10 cab whit a eminence 300watt in 8 ohm . my head is a ampeg b-5r whit 220 watt of power in 8 ohm. So the question is ... do you thinks this rig will work in a little gig situation ... or do i have enough power to play whit a little jazz quartet while cutting trouhg the mix and well be heard
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I can't see a 1x10 with good depth having any problem in a "little jazz quartet", depending on how loud a "little jazz quartet" is.
 
#14
The Gamma 10 appears to be a guitar/PA speaker, not for bass. Its 1.6mm Xmax looks bad; you'll fart it out long before you get close to its 300w rating.

A simulation run by TB member Petebass in July 2005 showed that at 100Hz about 15w would force the speaker into heavy distortion.

When designing a cabinet, one must start with the speaker's T/S specs, then design the proper size cab and porting appropriately. This model isn't carried by Eminence any more. I wish they'd keep old specs online. Nonetheless, a search for T/S specs would have been the first thing to do when considering a speaker.

If you still intend to build, you would do well to consider a BFM Omni10.5 1x10 cab with its recommended driver. The 10.5 isn't "tiny," but that's because a good 1x10 can't be tiny.
 
#15
I use a 1x10 made from the avatar deltalite 2510 neo's. Its in an appropriatley sized and tuned box and I have done a number of smaller gigs with it. Two would be WAY better. Unless i get substantial help from the FOH, its not sufficient IMO for my "rock" gigs, but for quieter (perhaps similar to your jazz gig?) and the like and for my rehearsals its all I use.

I feed it 200 watts.


I'd think it'd be fine for sensible smaller jazz quarted style gigs.

without FOH supprt on the rock gigs (small bars) its not even close to enough, obviously. Adding a second 10 made a huge difference.
 
#16
Two are WAY better ... it's what I use 90% of the time


The pair easily fit into the trunk of my compact Toyota ... with room for a MB LM II and two gig bags


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:smug: ... I have done the show with just one in a pinch with only small PA support
 
#17
I use a GB SHuttle 1x10 combo. It's enough. If I needed more, I'd get another 1x10 to add to it, but I have never needed more. I am a bit unusual in that I don't need to feel my pants move when I play. But for stand alone jazz gigs and as a monitor with PA support, it is enough for me.
 
#18
I've been using my custom Patterson 1x10 w/ coax tweeter for most of my gigs. A Markbass LMK powers it with 300 watts. I used this rig for most of my festival work this past summer, on jazz/latin gigs and for rehearsals with a 5 piece cover band, to mention a few.

I have never felt underpowered with this rig so far, although I don't use it at big rock shows.

I've done some rehearsing at my university and got to compare this tiny rig of mine to a Yorkville BM100 with a 15" speaker. My rig sounded way louder, fuller, and smoother even with just a 10" speaker.

A couple weeks ago, I played at a small-ish club. The percussionist brought his PA system, but didn't have enough channels to run my bass through FOH, so I just turned up my little rig. It cut fine and sounded great out front (as observed by some friends in the crowd). This was with guitar, piano, voice x2, accordion, violin, and a percussionist.

I've also used this rig to great success working with a woman who performs in elementary schools for children. Usually I just cranked the amp instead of running through a PA. Drums, bass, (fairly loud) guitar, and voice. Most of these performances took place in large school gymnasiums.

I'm not saying a 10" speaker cab will cover you for everything, but if you are smart about placement (someone mentioned putting the rig on a chair - I use a milk crate or two), and if your band doesn't play at insane stage volumes, it is totally possible to get a lot of mileage out of a quality 1x10 cab.

This is my main rig and for most of the stuff I do, it's fine. This weekend, I'm playing a dance club with a loud rock trio, so I will be bringing my 2x10 instead, but it's more for good measure than out of necessity. I could probably cut on stage fine with the 1x10 positioned properly.

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#19
Rick Auricchio said:
The Gamma 10 appears to be a guitar/PA speaker, not for bass. Its 1.6mm Xmax looks bad; you'll fart it out long before you get close to its 300w rating.

A simulation run by TB member Petebass in July 2005 showed that at 100Hz about 15w would force the speaker into heavy distortion.

When designing a cabinet, one must start with the speaker's T/S specs, then design the proper size cab and porting appropriately. This model isn't carried by Eminence any more. I wish they'd keep old specs online. Nonetheless, a search for T/S specs would have been the first thing to do when considering a speaker.

If you still intend to build, you would do well to consider a BFM Omni10.5 1x10 cab with its recommended driver. The 10.5 isn't "tiny," but that's because a good 1x10 can't be tiny.
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1.6 for isn't bad for xmax​ ... if it's inches.
 

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