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2 x 10 advice.
- Thread starter edshred
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Another Omni12, dual bp102 10" owner? Mine's got the super tweeter with L-Pad and the new mid-horn that's like building the guts of a jack, only 1/5th the scale. Love it.
We (you, me, anyone) can call the F210 whatever we want. It's a super, usually single box, solution if someone doesn't want to do 15s (although 15s, the really good'ens that is, are the way, the truth, & the light for me
).As for money, I already addressed this. And the OP noted no cost restraints.
As far as potential SPL, volume, & displacement, the F210 is e-a-s-i-l-y superior. Not a horserace.
One other box to seriously think about is the Bill Fitzmaurice Jack Lite 210. Bill's boxes are top-notch designs for sound. Crushing volume for a 210. Guessing it might rival the F210. And for a lot less bucks. Likely ~$2-300 less than the Bergantino. And being completely superficial 
, it looks fabulous & is an absolute flyweight (likely ~30 lbs.). I have two Jack Lite 115s squarely in my sights 
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Jack
, it looks fabulous & is an absolute flyweight (likely ~30 lbs.). I have two Jack Lite 115s squarely in my sights .Jack
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Have you tried it? I have been considering auditioning one. I was told by a Berg dealer who been selling that cab, that it lacks booty as a stand alone for electric bass, compared to the CN212. He feels the CN210 might be a good standalone for upright. The paper specs sure are attractive, and 33 pounds is nice. I'm going to make a trek soon and check it out.
I don't dispute that the F210 is a great cab. While I've never even seen one, it gets great press here at TalkBass, and that's golden. But the OP requested opinions on 210s, not 210+5+T.We (you, me, anyone) can call the F210 whatever we want. It's a super, usually single box, solution if someone doesn't want to do 15s (although 15s, the really good'ens that is, are the way, the truth, & the light for me
As for money, I already addressed this. And the OP noted no cost restraints.
I strongly disagree with the opinion of the dealer you referenced. There was a customer at BSD yesterday auditioning a CN210 with an Epifani UL501 head and a 5-string bass. No shortage of volume or booty at all. The B string was full and clear down low. You owe it to yourself to try one. I used mine at my last gig with a Glockenklang Blue Soul and Sadowsky RV5. I ran gain and volume at about 10 and noon, respectively. I'll be using it at an outdoor gig next week (medium venue, not large). For bigger gigs I use the CN212, and have never been lacking for punch and bottom.
For the record, I'm not an employee of BSD, but I do contract work on electronics for them. I do not benefit from any sales of instruments or amps.
LOL. Should even better solutions not be mentioned
? And almost every 210 is a +T. Not many that aren't.
There's a reason why I like a 15+6 better than a 15.LOL. Should even better solutions not be mentioned
FWIW, I have a true 3-way fEARful 15/6/1 and have found that it is missing some fundamental below low E (41 Hz), although the first overtone is well represented. Somehow I doubt that the CN210 would be any better....
With regard to this thread, as I see it the OP is asking for suggestions for a 2x10" cabinet which will provide better performance than his existing 2x12". This is a task which could only be accomplished by a small group of extremely high performance 2x10"s (of which the F210 is a member). The sensitivity specification on the CN210 suggests that it will be even quieter than the OP's current 2x12" which is not sufficient for the task; in other words, it may sound wonderful, but does not appear to be a good solution for maximum SPL.
I guess the best way to see if what you say has any credence would be to A/B them. Unsubstantiated doubt and paper specs would take a back seat to actual auditioning in any decision I would make. I missed the part where the OP said he was looking for better performance from the 210. I got the impression he was looking for a smaller footprint without a big sacrifice in volume.
Sorry to hear about your fEARful.
Nothing to be sorry about.... physics puts limits on how much fundamental a bass enclosure can produce. My fEARful does better at reproducing the fundamental than the vast majority of bass cabinets. My point was that even the 15/6/1 does not quite reproduce a full low B, so I would not expect it from a smaller 2x10" with less internal volume.
That's pretty much right..
I know a 2x10 won't out perform a 2x12 volume wise but I think I prefer the 10's, not sure why, I just do..
I find the 212 a bit too much sometimes for my needs in size as well as in volume. Usually run it about 11oclock And sometimes I have to have it even quieter as it shakes the feck put of some stages..
Surprising no one has mentioned the Aguilar DB series. I really like the mid-forward tone of the cabs and they sound phenomenal with my overdrive pedals/tube amp/Precision bass.
Did you even look at the Jack Lite 210 or F210? If you don't like either, no prob. It's your bux. But they'll both put the 212 to shame.
I have not looked at those. Was kinda the Point of the thread, to discover cabs I hadn't looked at and get advice.. The only reason I was lookin at the berg cn210 and Ea Nl 210 was because I knew one place that would stock them in the UK for me to try.
