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3/4 vs. 6/8 (time signatures)
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That's the best ever compliment I've received here at TB.
Febs, you made my Day, my Weekend!
Thank you for that.
"Beauty is in the Ear of the Behearer"
Thanks for injecting a (sometimes) much-needed dose of Civility, Febs!
I wrote a simple drum pattern in 3/4.
I DID NOT WRITE THE WALTZ.
I just wrote a simple drum pattern in 3/4 and emphasized the last two eighths like in that "One against everybody" song.
Here is a sound file for that drum pattern.
(Two different mixes - two different "flavors" of the drum pattern.)
http://cdn1.talkbass.com/data/attachment-files/2015/08/2581118_f79e976795a6712e8f712713e41d73f2.mp3
http://cdn1.talkbass.com/data/attachment-files/2015/08/2581116_c80c55c1b5737b65ddaf6ac57a26a7bf.mp3
P.S. I know I've this "battle" because everybody thinks that the 3/4 time signature MUST sound like Viennese Waltz.
I DID NOT WRITE THE WALTZ.
I just wrote a simple drum pattern in 3/4 and emphasized the last two eighths like in that "One against everybody" song.
Here is a sound file for that drum pattern.
(Two different mixes - two different "flavors" of the drum pattern.)
http://cdn1.talkbass.com/data/attachment-files/2015/08/2581118_f79e976795a6712e8f712713e41d73f2.mp3
http://cdn1.talkbass.com/data/attachment-files/2015/08/2581116_c80c55c1b5737b65ddaf6ac57a26a7bf.mp3
P.S. I know I've this "battle" because everybody thinks that the 3/4 time signature MUST sound like Viennese Waltz.
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3/4 for me ;-). That tune has a strong quarter note pulse AND it has a definite 2 bars pattern in 3/4 not one bar of 6/4. The 6 notes ARE the subdivisions, not the pulse…..for me anyway ;-). I would be pissed at the copyist who write this in something else then 3/4. I know I have that book somewhere in my boxes, I have to find it
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Febs,
iona's 3/2 time signature from a distance could be seen as a close relative of that "almost" unanimous 6/4 chorus, but...
iona's 3/2 does not split the foundation of the song's rhythm into 2 unequal parts - 4/4 and 2/4 (!!!).
IMHO,
iona has properly identified the groove, where a lot of others were distracted by those claps.
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In order to avoid any unnecessary "emotionally-charged" and distractive discussion, I've purposely placed one more flat in the key signature.
Febs wrote key signature correctly as Ab major.
IMHO, I think the chord is for that transcribed bass part is Ab7 (#9) - Ab C Eb Gb B.
Here is Febs transcription. My question is this:
Why is it Cb if we have #9?
Febs wrote key signature correctly as Ab major.
IMHO, I think the chord is for that transcribed bass part is Ab7 (#9) - Ab C Eb Gb B.
Here is Febs transcription. My question is this:
Why is it Cb if we have #9?
The only difference between the way he wrote it and the way I wrote it is that in his example, he's counting half notes as the basic beat, and in mine, I'm counting quarter notes. The dotted lines in mine were just for illustrative purposes. I wouldn't put them in a chart, or if I did, I would do it in the first measure or two and then indicate "simile," so my chart would look essentially like his except for the time signature.
The fact that it's divided into unequal parts does not bother me at all because it reflects the way I hear the phrase actually divided. For example, in the chorus, I hear it as "two against na-ture" + "don't you," not as "two against na" + "ture don't you." Again, I emphasize that this is the way I hear the tune and I'm not taking issue with others hearing it differently.
I think that this is one of those examples where the argument can be made that the enharmonically correct spelling is harder to read and that the spelling can be simplified for the convenience of the reader. It's easier to read the major 2nd interval between Db and Cb than the diminished third between Db and B natural.
Thank you for your response.
I truly believe that your very knowledgeable comments provide a lot of useful information and makes the TB forum interesting and worth reading.
Also, I think that your excellent educational background is not afraid of seeing more complicated things, where my narrow-minded musical background wants to simplify everything.
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Even if this doesn't mean it comes directly from WB or DF's handwriting, it does show from the official SD book's, how a pro copyist hears it too in 3/4
But is halftime compared to the way you described it in your prior post, right? In other words, I read your prior post as saying you would write it in 3/4 with quarter = 180, whereas this is 3/4 with quarter = 90?
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Nope I meant exactly that. Never mentioned a tempo, just a 2-bars pattern which what the groove is based on. So 3/4 at around 90
Gotcha. Then I think you misinterpreted my 6/4 measures as being twice as long as your 3/4 measures. They're not. I'm just hearing the quarter note at 180, rather than 90.
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I know what you mean but those are the 8th notes subdivisions and NOT the pulse of the groove. To my own feel anyway ;-)
Here is how you and WUTP feel the groove at 180BPM.
I just don't want to overcomplicate things.
"PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER".
Sincerely,
iona bass (via Groucho Marx).
You could legitimately transcribe as 3/4 or 6/4 - personally I would go with 3/4 but I would not complain at 6/4.
Incidentally, I think keeping score on who agrees with whom and establishing that as a basis for who might be right or wrong is ridiculous, childish and a sure way of causing friction.
Just for the record, 3/2 is also a "legitimately" accurate way of writing the time signature. 3/2 looks identical to 6/4, but implies the feel/grouping of 2+2+2 nicely...(as opposed to 3+3).IMHO.
Yes, I realize I'm the outlier in this discussion, and I'm OK with that. Not looking for a BassBrawl.
Thanks for your time(!), interest and civility.
don kasper
3/2 belongs to the same family as 3/4.
A lot of musicians think about 3/4 as ONLY the Viennese Waltz, but it could be useful in some other areas as well.
Yes, the song has that "2+2+2" (as the eighths notes in my 3/4 case) in the groove (it could be heard in the Hi-hat, or guitar rhythmic parts).
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Again this is another good example from WUTP that there is always different ways to write a music score ;-)
Also - some Modern (Classical) composers will write a time signature this way:
2+2+2 (over) /4 - to show the preferred grouping (known as the 'subdivision') of the "6" beats. It's really helpful to convey that 'feel' to someone reading the part for the first time, or when larger numbers of beats are involved-
For example: 7/4 can be written "2+2+3(over) /4".
Thanks.
2+2+2 (over) /4 - to show the preferred grouping (known as the 'subdivision') of the "6" beats. It's really helpful to convey that 'feel' to someone reading the part for the first time, or when larger numbers of beats are involved-
For example: 7/4 can be written "2+2+3(over) /4".
Thanks.
