• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

3Leaf Audio Club - Episode 2

Good job, Reverb.com. Because you know you'll need to file your envelopes. :rolleyes:

(This screenshot is verbatim.)

Screen Shot 2022-02-26 at 21.29.50.png
 
Hello 3Leaf wonders, hope all is well. I've been using the Octavbre Mini for some time and really dig it, satisfies every octave need I have except for subs (enter the MXR Sub Machine), and stacks really well. Recently got lucky with a trade + cash for a Proton V3 and wanted to pick your collective brains.

I'm using passive axes with flats exclusively, so inherently the tone is a little dark and the output isn't terribly strong. I haven't tried putting a boost before the filter, but I am having a little trouble getting it trigger without really digging in. Anybody who run passive basses with the Proton have tips about getting a solid signal to trigger the filter? Boost is on my list, just haven't had to chance to mount it on my board yet.

Thanks!
 
Hello 3Leaf wonders, hope all is well. I've been using the Octavbre Mini for some time and really dig it, satisfies every octave need I have except for subs (enter the MXR Sub Machine), and stacks really well. Recently got lucky with a trade + cash for a Proton V3 and wanted to pick your collective brains.

I'm using passive axes with flats exclusively, so inherently the tone is a little dark and the output isn't terribly strong. I haven't tried putting a boost before the filter, but I am having a little trouble getting it trigger without really digging in. Anybody who run passive basses with the Proton have tips about getting a solid signal to trigger the filter? Boost is on my list, just haven't had to chance to mount it on my board yet.

Thanks!

I use a compressor before the envelope filter (and all the other effects, too), and it acts partially as a boost. I use passive basses that need a little extra “oomph” to make some things pop.
 
I'm a Jazz with TI Flats kind of guy who has paired an Octabvre Mini with a Wonderlove, a Microtron IV, and a Xerograph Deluxe. You need some upper order harmonics. Here are ways I do that:

1. If you're pairing a filter with the Mini, roll the tone knob up. My normal octave sound is tone fully ccw, but you can add some buzz in for the filter to grab with tone getting toward noon.
2. Add some dirt. This is the easiest thing to do. Filters love dirt. A little OD gives that classic funk sound, while fuzz gets Moogy.
3. Use your bridge pickup if you have one. Octavers tend to work best on the neck, and filters seem to like the brighter punch of the bridge. This is hard to balance if you have your Mini into your Proton with no dirt between, but again, the Mini's tone knob can help.
4. Pluck nearer the bridge with a bonier part of the finger. Hard to explain without a video, but going from the softer attack from the pads of my fingers to the tip really helps get some sharp attack the filter can grab.

Hope some of that helps.
 
I use a compressor before the envelope filter (and all the other effects, too), and it acts partially as a boost. I use passive basses that need a little extra “oomph” to make some things pop.

I'm a Jazz with TI Flats kind of guy who has paired an Octabvre Mini with a Wonderlove, a Microtron IV, and a Xerograph Deluxe. You need some upper order harmonics. Here are ways I do that:

1. If you're pairing a filter with the Mini, roll the tone knob up. My normal octave sound is tone fully ccw, but you can add some buzz in for the filter to grab with tone getting toward noon.
2. Add some dirt. This is the easiest thing to do. Filters love dirt. A little OD gives that classic funk sound, while fuzz gets Moogy.
3. Use your bridge pickup if you have one. Octavers tend to work best on the neck, and filters seem to like the brighter punch of the bridge. This is hard to balance if you have your Mini into your Proton with no dirt between, but again, the Mini's tone knob can help.
4. Pluck nearer the bridge with a bonier part of the finger. Hard to explain without a video, but going from the softer attack from the pads of my fingers to the tip really helps get some sharp attack the filter can grab.

Hope some of that helps.

@Raoul_Duke -- Thanks for your note! I've been running comps after filters for a while since most of the filters I've had (Fwonkbeta, Discombobulator, Joshwah, Filter Twin) reacted better to a lot of signal going into it than a compressed one. The other advantage was taming peaks. Sounds like you're describing the clean boost from the compressor as helping to trigger. So I might go boost first and then compressor after the filter. More to come!

@Eric Cioe -- That was a great write up, thank you for that! Definitely, I'm running jazz and j-style basses (Lakland Decade) only too with Chromes and LaBella LTFs and usually have both pickups full on when using filters.

A lot of the points are counterintuitive (octave lokes neck, filter like bridge) but make total sense. Thank you for the tip re the Mini tone knob, def would not have considered that. Yep, I've run octave, fuzz, filter in that order for a while but may need an OD in there when I don't want to go full synthy with fuzz + filter. Thank you!

Lots of tests to be done! I'll reply back with what worked best once I'm able to go thru all the options. Thank you again!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Stubb
@Eric Cioe ...
A lot of the points are counterintuitive (octave lokes neck, filter like bridge) but make total sense. Thank you for the tip re the Mini tone knob, def would not have considered that. Yep, I've run octave, fuzz, filter in that order for a while but may need an OD in there when I don't want to go full synthy with fuzz + filter. Thank you!

The tone knob on the mini took me some time to figure, but then I asked why I'm slavishly devoted to the OC-2 sound. It works for the Sledgehammer thing and the Nerve / Jojo Mayer thing, but it doesn't work with filters by itself. The flexibility a real bonus of the Octabvre, although I imagine most of us are pretty glued to the OC-2 side.

And yeah, some OD really helps the filter have something to grab. I've always used an MBD2 for this, but I imagine anything would work. The Fuzzrocious Lil Fella is affordable, comes in a practical size, and is tonally flexible. The MBD series is great and super flexible. But I think basically anything would work. If I were doing this but didn't care about top jacks (and I care very much about top jacks) and wanted a bargain, I'd probably use a TC Spark.
 
The tone knob on the mini took me some time to figure, but then I asked why I'm slavishly devoted to the OC-2 sound. It works for the Sledgehammer thing and the Nerve / Jojo Mayer thing, but it doesn't work with filters by itself. The flexibility a real bonus of the Octabvre, although I imagine most of us are pretty glued to the OC-2 side.

And yeah, some OD really helps the filter have something to grab. I've always used an MBD2 for this, but I imagine anything would work. The Fuzzrocious Lil Fella is affordable, comes in a practical size, and is tonally flexible. The MBD series is great and super flexible. But I think basically anything would work. If I were doing this but didn't care about top jacks (and I care very much about top jacks) and wanted a bargain, I'd probably use a TC Spark.

Yep, I am always either fully OC-2 or fully Mutron on the Octavbre Mini. Need to find that useful midpoint too.

Absolutely, I love ODs and have had the SSBS Mini for a while. I used to run it much later in the chain now I'll likely be moving it up after the fuzz. Also recently picked up the Jam pedals Lucydreamer Bass overdrive. Big range of dirt available on the gain knob, esp combined with the mix control. Can do the low gain thing really well, and has a second footswitch for high gain fuzz. Don't think it'll replace the SSBS, but it's really great and musical.
 
Two settings shots,
chromotron setting which the only effect is a presence boost. I can bottle that and leave it on all the time. Especially P with flats.

Octabvre no octave just a nice aggressive over driven tone. again can leave it on for multiple songs and dig in.

just a couple of less conventional setting I use less as an effect and more for tone shaping.
 

Attachments

  • 03B0010F-A351-47C8-B0F4-8E82E54B28DC.jpeg
    03B0010F-A351-47C8-B0F4-8E82E54B28DC.jpeg
    815.7 KB · Views: 60
  • F72CE946-13BA-4BEC-8F70-87423867B9BF.jpeg
    F72CE946-13BA-4BEC-8F70-87423867B9BF.jpeg
    554.4 KB · Views: 53
I'm a Jazz with TI Flats kind of guy who has paired an Octabvre Mini with a Wonderlove, a Microtron IV, and a Xerograph Deluxe. You need some upper order harmonics. Here are ways I do that:

1. If you're pairing a filter with the Mini, roll the tone knob up. My normal octave sound is tone fully ccw, but you can add some buzz in for the filter to grab with tone getting toward noon.
2. Add some dirt. This is the easiest thing to do. Filters love dirt. A little OD gives that classic funk sound, while fuzz gets Moogy.
3. Use your bridge pickup if you have one. Octavers tend to work best on the neck, and filters seem to like the brighter punch of the bridge. This is hard to balance if you have your Mini into your Proton with no dirt between, but again, the Mini's tone knob can help.
4. Pluck nearer the bridge with a bonier part of the finger. Hard to explain without a video, but going from the softer attack from the pads of my fingers to the tip really helps get some sharp attack the filter can grab.

Hope some of that helps.
Thanks a lot for that!