I like to think I have an open mind so I would love to hear a sound clip of what you are talking about otherwise agree to disagree. Many other dirt pedals go better w octave and filters.
Doom2 is not an oscillator…it’s a fuzz. It’s billed as a fuzz that gets close to a sawtooth wave which is really all about how it clips. Harder clips more resemble a square wave. It’s a custom circuit so what you like in a circuit might be everything that this circuit does, but for me, it’s fairly unimpressive and at the prices it is trading hands…we’ll, let’s
just say the emperor certainly has some new clothes.
Regarding filters and fuzz in general…I challenge you to place almost any fuzz before a good filter like a Moog MF101 or an IE XD tell me it doesn’t sound like as juicy of an oscillator as the Doom does as you sweep the fuzz.
I don't think this is about sound clips. It sounds like you've played the Doom 2 and if it's not for you, I don't see how a sound clip will change that. Nor should it! As I wrote in a post (#7408) from earlier the same day as the one you quote in this reply: "pedals are subjective." If its sound isn't your thing, then it's not for you and that's okay
Plus there are Doom 2 sound examples all over the internet:
Zach Rizer's demo is a good place to start. If that doesn't sound like the synth tone you've been looking for, we can indeed agree to disagree.
But I think you've misunderstood what I was saying: I'm not claiming the Doom 2 is an actual oscillator (that would be silly--those are found in synthesizers, not dirt pedals) and I understand it is billed as an "original fuzz circuit." I am saying that--to my ears--it
emulates an oscillator better than other fuzz pedals. When bass players do the whole suboctave --> fuzz --> filter thing to produce synth tones, it's the fuzz that is mimicking the oscillator function in a synthesizer by simulating a sawtooth or square waveform (a sample rate reducer also works for more industrial synth tones). You originally wrote that "there are so many better fuzzes out there." My point was that the Doom 2 is not a traditional fuzz circuit and it isn't going to get you those classic fuzz tones so lumping it in with them is not really leaning into where it shines. If I was unclear about any of this, I apologize.
Thankfully I've already done your challenge. In fact, I've spent a large part of the past three-and-a-half years exploring how best to emulate low-gain bass synthesis via pedals. I've owned everything from the Source Audio C4 to Brassmasters like the Iron Ether Oxide, Broughton Maestro, and Hiero BEAD v3. I do use an Iron Ether Xerograph Deluxe so I've met your good filter benchmark (and I obviously agree with it!). The Doom 2 is what has repeatedly won in my dirt-that-produces-synth-tone shootouts. It's not the only pedal I'll ever run into the XD--I frequently use the Iron Ether FMeron and Iron Ether FrantaBit as well--but it is the pedal I come back to time after time for this purpose. So yes, it is without hesitation and on the basis of scores of trials that I can tell you no other fuzz sounds "like as juicy of an oscillator as the Doom does as [one] sweeps the fuzz."
Once again: if you prefer something else, there's no right or wrong here. That's what's so fun about pedals. What's "juicy" to me can be anemic to you. The XD will make any dirt sound synthy when swept with an expression pedal so this comes down to some fairly fine nuances. All my previous reply intended to say was that treating the Doom 2 like any other fuzz (your original post said nothing about synth tones) is of course going to disappoint someone looking for a muff sound or some other vintage fuzz tone.
Edit: thinking about this further, I think it's very clear you and I are looking for a different sound because you mention wanting to try the HGM version since the standard didn't do it for you. I had both the standard and the HGM and I decided to keep the standard *shrug*
