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8x10 + 2x15???
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Op, Grow a pair and just build your own 815 cab. Yes. 8 15 inch drivers. TO HELL WITH SCIENCE IDGAF
I think Ampeg makes one:
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Looks too big. Maybe that's an 8/20.
Actually, the shadows in the grill look like it's a 32/10.
That ought to be enough.
Theoretically youd just need a couple band mates to lift the stack while you place a cab beneath it and attach the next speaker cord.
You do want to make sure to get your eq settings dialed in on your head before you begin tho.
It is surprising how many touring pro's mix multiple amps with a large number of 10 and 15 cabs, even with full pa support ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ARZGwfhC_U
Check out a couple bass rig rundowns on youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ARZGwfhC_U
Check out a couple bass rig rundowns on youtube...
It is surprising how many touring pro's mix multiple amps with a large number of 10 and 15 cabs, even with full pa support ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ARZGwfhC_U
Check out a couple bass rig rundowns on youtube...
None of which applies to a room carrying rig. Beyond plebdom you got a hell of a long way to go before a soundman will do anything about getting a representative sound from the hodgepodge into the mix.
So is it physics, too loud, lack of talent, cranky soundman or what?
Answer: none of the above. What it really is is that half of the people here don't understand the OP's question. The other half have no idea that the type of music the OP plays even exists or that there's venues and audiences that book these bands and pay money to see them despite the examples that have been highlighted in this thread.
Answer: none of the above. What it really is is that half of the people here don't understand the OP's question. The other half have no idea that the type of music the OP plays even exists or that there's venues and audiences that book these bands and pay money to see them despite the examples that have been highlighted in this thread.
Two guitar stacks plus two bass fridge rigs? I hope the poor drummer wears hearing protection.
I guess I'm one of the "Grampas", but when I was young (when dinosaurs ruled the earth) I played in a power trio. Our guitarist wielded two Marshall full stacks. Our bass player had two Ampeg Fridge rigs. I was the guy in between this madness. They figured out pretty quickly that standing in front of their respective walls of sound, they could not hear each other. The next step was each of them putting one of their cabinets on the opposite side of the stage. It was loud, our sound guys hated us with all of their heart and therefore gave us their "best" mix.
It was pretty awful now that I look back at it. It took us a while to figure out that although it looked cool, it didn't sound great. Eventually the second stacks were up there on stage as backups, which was actually useful.
I know, we are old and couldn't possibly have any experience playing at loud volumes... but we actually do.
Oh and I've had partial hearing loss for years thanks to my youthful exuberance.
My thirty two year old metal drummer nephew plays in a crazy loud band which makes his dad (who was the aforementioned Marshall playing guitarist) and I cringe. He doesn't listen to our advice, I don't expect someone on the internet to listen.
Rock on!
Played back in 2003 with some guys that where huge gear heads with roadies that loved that kind of stuff (big stage plots) guitar player would hit the bigger venues with two double head full stacks and get this the keyboard player had two old Kustom tuck and roll two 15's and some old Kustom tuck and roll PA head with two 4x12 cabs. So.....I got to break out my rolling rack with four heads, two 8x10's, two 18's and two 15's. It was outrageously ridiculous. I use to have a picture of a CD release party we played where all this was set up. I'll try and find it, it's pretty funny.
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God this is so boring to a real professional,
A lot of misconceptions have been bandied about this thread.
Loudspeaker beaming?.
All loudspeakers beam from a certain frequency up, however many you have. The larger the loudspeaker generally the lower the frequency the loudspeaker begins to beam at.
Even if you have a Tweeter the chances are in bass gear that it's a high pass only, that still allows the woofer to run full range and beam all over the room.
Comb filtering? all loudspeakers outside of anechoic chambers exhibit comb filtering because of room reflections.
If you move multiple loudspeakers away from each other you will be able to measure increased comb filtering effects at various points in the room.
This is why single vertical loudspeaker arrays exhibit less comb filtering than widely horizontal placement of sound sources.
The widely spaced front of house PA system is in no way exempt from producing bad comb filtering effects, in fact the point source of a powerful but compact on stage rig carrying the room is less likely to produce bad comb filtering FX.
Mixing loudspeaker cone sizes and comb filtering effects due to frequency dependant non coincident phase twists?.
While the difference in cone sizes theoretically produces differences in phase angles dependant on frequency, the facts are that assuming the loudspeakers are in similar polarity, voice coil alignment and designed to be operated full range and have quite similar frequency responses like the difference between an agile bright sounding 15" mounted vertically with a 10" loudspeaker which is designed for the same or even slightly lower fundamental resonance.
Surprisingly may not actually exhibit any measurable comb filtering outside of an anechoic chamber and can be less of a comb filtering issue than say operating a pair of similar drivers mounted closely horizontally.
Obviously the moment that the sound is collected from either different loudspeaker size, assuming that the collection mic's are placed in phase relative to the different size drivers or for that matter a DI is taken to the front of house.
far, far hugely far greater phase anomalies will exist between a well spaced stereo front of house in various places in the room and the on stage rig and any stage monitors whatever size loudspeakers are involved.
So having left the anechoic chamber, land of theory and idiotic dogma that plagues this board, If you have followed what I have said, we have mutually discovered that it doesn't make a discernible difference in practice at a real gig.
So whatever the music tech lecturer who can't get gainful employment in his chosen profession outside of a class room, where he spouts dogmatic ******** all day long says, there are just far too many other variables in a practical live situation for it to really matter at all.
Finally! in my experience however loud the bass amplification system is capable of getting and however many loudspeakers of all sizes it may contain, I have so far in the last 45 years as a professional, never found a rig, that is not equipped with some sort of level or volume control.
Surprisingly! you can even have more than one single coil pickup on your bass too!!!? and mix them via individual capacitive resistive tone controls, although then we really are talking about radical frequency dependant complex phase anomalies.
A lot of misconceptions have been bandied about this thread.
Loudspeaker beaming?.
All loudspeakers beam from a certain frequency up, however many you have. The larger the loudspeaker generally the lower the frequency the loudspeaker begins to beam at.
Even if you have a Tweeter the chances are in bass gear that it's a high pass only, that still allows the woofer to run full range and beam all over the room.
Comb filtering? all loudspeakers outside of anechoic chambers exhibit comb filtering because of room reflections.
If you move multiple loudspeakers away from each other you will be able to measure increased comb filtering effects at various points in the room.
This is why single vertical loudspeaker arrays exhibit less comb filtering than widely horizontal placement of sound sources.
The widely spaced front of house PA system is in no way exempt from producing bad comb filtering effects, in fact the point source of a powerful but compact on stage rig carrying the room is less likely to produce bad comb filtering FX.
Mixing loudspeaker cone sizes and comb filtering effects due to frequency dependant non coincident phase twists?.
While the difference in cone sizes theoretically produces differences in phase angles dependant on frequency, the facts are that assuming the loudspeakers are in similar polarity, voice coil alignment and designed to be operated full range and have quite similar frequency responses like the difference between an agile bright sounding 15" mounted vertically with a 10" loudspeaker which is designed for the same or even slightly lower fundamental resonance.
Surprisingly may not actually exhibit any measurable comb filtering outside of an anechoic chamber and can be less of a comb filtering issue than say operating a pair of similar drivers mounted closely horizontally.
Obviously the moment that the sound is collected from either different loudspeaker size, assuming that the collection mic's are placed in phase relative to the different size drivers or for that matter a DI is taken to the front of house.
far, far hugely far greater phase anomalies will exist between a well spaced stereo front of house in various places in the room and the on stage rig and any stage monitors whatever size loudspeakers are involved.
So having left the anechoic chamber, land of theory and idiotic dogma that plagues this board, If you have followed what I have said, we have mutually discovered that it doesn't make a discernible difference in practice at a real gig.
So whatever the music tech lecturer who can't get gainful employment in his chosen profession outside of a class room, where he spouts dogmatic ******** all day long says, there are just far too many other variables in a practical live situation for it to really matter at all.
Finally! in my experience however loud the bass amplification system is capable of getting and however many loudspeakers of all sizes it may contain, I have so far in the last 45 years as a professional, never found a rig, that is not equipped with some sort of level or volume control.
Surprisingly! you can even have more than one single coil pickup on your bass too!!!? and mix them via individual capacitive resistive tone controls, although then we really are talking about radical frequency dependant complex phase anomalies.
To answer the OP: I would get another 810 to go with the second Tour 700. It should give the most consistent results. It'll be awesome either way you slice it, but that's just my take on the question. 16 tens being driven by 1400 watts, you should have an ample helping of volume, IMO
I'm wondering if the giant rig thing isn't analogous to guys buying Hummers to drive around their suburb. There's no evil in it, it just makes you look like a tool.
