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8x10 + 2x15???

#81
Guys, nobody is asking you to move any of these cabs. Or listen to anyone play through them.

Isn't it a bit presumptuous to tell someone how to make their art? Or that they're wrong because its a different approach than you take? What if someone said you're not loud enough, and that makes you an obnoxious jerk?

Maybe if you don't have a constructive or helpful answer for the OP keep your snide opinions to yourselves?
 
#83
Sartori said:
Yep. As an audience member, it's on you to protect your ears. There are some genres where if you go to a show without earplugs, you're just being stupid. I bring 'em to every show. Don't always need them, but with the stuff I listen to, often do. And it's pretty easy. I don't understand people who don't.
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I bring ear plugs anywhere where I think there will be amplfied instruments. Some of the most ear piercing shows I have been to were not actually about overall volume. I remember one show where a guy was playing an electric accoustic and the highend on the guitar was deafening. Sure, this guy or the FOH guy was an idiot and should have adjusted the EQ but they weren't and I couldn't hear for a day. I probably lost some of my hearing from one guy singing and playing an electric accoustic guitar.
 
#84
DethByDoom said:
I just wanna drink the dually cool aid. I just can't part with my 810. Again. I love that big b****.
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I don't have Duallys yet. Might, eventually, though. For Catapult, my rig might eventually be a Mesa Strategy through two of them. Can you imagine the roar of that? Would be such an amazing doom rig. Though not as amazing as a Strategy through four of them (they make 8 ohm versions, right?).

As an aside, I know I'm oversensitive, but I feel people toss around the phrase "drink the kool-aid" a bit casually, considering that what it's referencing is the mass suicide of almost a thousand people, many of them children. Not saying "OH MY GOD, DON'T EVER SAY THAT!" or anything, just feels a little... off... to me.
 
#85
DethByDoom said:
Guys, nobody is asking you to move any of these cabs. Or listen to anyone play through them.

Isn't it a bit presumptuous to tell someone how to make their art? Or that they're wrong because its a different approach than you take? What if someone said you're not loud enough, and that makes you an obnoxious jerk?

Maybe if you don't have a constructive or helpful answer for the OP keep your snide opinions to yourselves?
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+1

All the "you're way too loud!" comments aren't really helpful to the OP, and aren't really nearly as relevant as the people making them seem to think they are. The OP knows he/she's loud. Clearly, he/she doesn't care.

The OP was asking whether a 2x15 and an additional head would be a good addition to his/her current rig.

My own opinion is that if the plan is to run the same signal into both of them and EQ the heads the same way, another 8x10 would be better, or ditching the current 8x10 and getting two 2x15 cabs. However, I also think it might be cool to run one rig clean, and one rig with effects, for which the 2x15 might work well.
 
#86
Sartori said:
+1



All the "you're way too loud!" comments aren't really helpful to the OP, and aren't really nearly as relevant as the people making them seem to think they are. The OP knows he/she's loud. Clearly, he/she doesn't care.



The OP was asking whether a 2x15 and an additional head would be a good addition to his/her current rig.



My own opinion is that if the plan is to run the same signal into both of them and EQ the heads the same way, another 8x10 would be better, or ditching the current 8x10 and getting two 2x15 cabs. However, I also think it might be cool to run one rig clean, and one rig with effects, for which the 2x15 might work well.
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^^^this^^^ and little else in this thread so far.
 
#88
Downunderwonder said:
Don't put one each side of the stage just because it's common to do it that way. It makes your lows boom / disappear, on alternate notes, unless you stand dead centre.
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Josh Thatguy said:
Which one: BOOM, or DISAPPEAR? Those two things are at opposite ends of the spectrum. And on "alternate notes"? Seriously? (Please, don't answer that. If you've actually heard it happen, it was either because a compressor was doing waaaaay too much, or your hearing was acting as a compressor, rebounding slowly).

OP, please ignore everything I say. There is no possible way I can have any idea what I'm talking about. With my 2 810s separated SL/SR and my guitarist's two JCM800 fullstacks set up the same way, I'm obviously just clueless. The fact that it's "common that way" means every other band & bassist is doing it wrong, too.
Must mean that big arena-level backlines with 4 or even 6 or 8 matching cabs each for the guitarist and bassist are set up exclusively for those in the "dead centre" of the venue (and let's not mention line array PAs, they must be set up for dead centre too).



Or not.
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Well, Josh, I don't know if you're correct in your assessment that there's no possible way you can have any idea what you're talking about, but it is certainly clear that you don't have any idea what Downunder is talking about. The acoustical phenomenon he is referring to is called "Standing Waves," and what the phenomenon does is pretty much exactly what Downunder described: boosting some frequencies while attenuating others - the phenomenon depending on the wave length of the sound wave and the distance between the two sources: most commonly reflectors when the phenomenon occurs in a space with parallel walls.

Look it up.

Because it is wavelength dependent, and bass notes are so much longer and closer together in frequency, although it occurs throughout the range of wavelengths that are exact divisions (or multiples) of the distance, it is far more noticeable in the bass fundamental frequencies. And that's why most well designed stadium setups have their subs in a central location while their arrays are paired, and why your comments about guitars are irrelevant.
 
#91
JellinWellen said:
2x15 cabs have less lows than 8x10s FYI.

It's about TOTAL speaker area, not individual sizes. Hence why 2x10s go lower and handle more power then a 1x15.
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Kmonk said:
I agree with everything here.
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Well, then you'd both be wrong in some cases - for example:

There is no question that my PH215 will crush an SVT810e in regards to low end... I can also state from experience that the PH215 can put out way more than enough low end to cause problems on a PA supported gig with subs - especially when driven with a Streamliner 900...

There is also no question that my Road Ready 115(loaded with a Kappa-15LFA) will "go lower and handle more power" than some 210s...

That's also not even bringing some of Greenboy's designs into things...

I will say that in *most* cases, the rest of what Jellin posted was true: a good 810 OR a good 215 - by itself - is *typically* more than enough by itself in *most PA fully supported* gigs - IME/IMO, that is...

I will also say that regarding the OP - my PH810 and PH215 sound fantastic when paired up, but I would never need that much for ANY gig I've ever played... FWIW, I've played ALOT of extremely loud gigs, including over 5 years of gigging in a LOUD 2 guitar modern rock/metal band with a pair of Triple Rec halfstacks on stage...


- georgestrings
 
#93
Oh TB grumpy elitists. It just takes "810" in the title of a thread and away you go...not everyone lives under your rock.

I've run an 810 and 2 215s together. If a 210 is all you need then good for you but why are you even posting here? Clearly you are in a different league than us. It's like a golfer giving advice to an NFL player about run blocking.

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To the OP, my suggestion is if you like the sound of your 810 then get another. Unless you can buy a 215 with a good return policy. No one can predict how two different cabs will sound together. Two of the same should usually work though.
 
#94
bassboysam said:
Oh TB grumpy elitists. It just takes "810" in the title of a thread and away you go...not everyone lives under your rock.

I've run an 810 and 2 215s together. If a 210 is all you need then good for you but why are you even posting here? Clearly you are in a different league than us. It's like a golfer giving advice to an NFL player about run blocking.
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+1

I use a combination of mid drivers, and woofers, with a big ass amp. Use what works for you. Play loud if you want to.

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#95
bassboysam said:
Oh TB grumpy elitists. It just takes "810" in the title of a thread and away you go...not everyone lives under your rock.

I've run an 810 and 2 215s together. If a 210 is all you need then good for you but why are you even posting here? Clearly you are in a different league than us. It's like a golfer giving advice to an NFL player about run blocking.
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You think your couple of hundred Watts of muscle can outdo a couple of thousand Watts in a PA? ;)

Anyway, of course and as usual, these things depend on the overall setup ... the main issue many of us so ancient guys are talking about is really just keeping a reasonable level on stage, both for the benefit of the performers' hearing (physically as well as musically), and also to make it possible to control the balance in the FOH sound.

Most eventually come around to these ideas after trying the "more is better" route for a couple of years. :hiding:
 
#96
FretNoMore said:
You think your couple of hundred Watts of muscle can outdo a couple of thousand Watts in a PA? ;)

Anyway, of course and as usual, these things depend on the overall setup ... the main issue many of us so ancient guys are talking about is really just keeping a reasonable level on stage, both for the benefit of the performers' hearing (physically as well as musically), and also to make it possible to control the balance in the FOH sound.

Most eventially come around to these ideas after trying the "more is better" route for a couple of years. :hiding:
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Not everyone has 1000 gigawatts of PA.

reasonable level is subjective.

Being loud doesn't mean you have no talent nor does it have to affect your playing.

We know how to use hearing protection.

Balance isn't everything. In some scenes it's more about energy and adranaline instead of needing to sound like the CD.
 
#97
JellinWellen said:
2x15 cabs have less lows than 8x10s FYI.

It's about TOTAL speaker area, not individual sizes. Hence why 2x10s go lower and handle more power then a 1x15.
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Hence, lol, you really don't know what you're talking about.

First, total speaker area has no relationship to frequency response or power handling. None. Frequency response & power handling are a function of each individual driver specification.

Second, total speaker (surface) area is an element of potential loudness/air movement. But what most guys overlook (or don't even know about, even on TB) is the Xmax of the speakers in question. Driver surface area x Xmax = displacement. This (together with the cab design & execution) is what determines how loud a box can go. "There's no replacement for displacement."
 
#98
FretNoMore said:
You think your couple of hundred Watts of muscle can outdo a couple of thousand Watts in a PA? ;)
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I think my couple of thousand watts and my rig can take on most PA's in local venues.

FretNoMore said:
Anyway, of course and as usual, these things depend on the overall setup ... the main issue many of us so ancient guys are talking about is really just keeping a reasonable level on stage, both for the benefit of the performers' hearing (physically as well as musically), and also to make it possible to control the balance in the FOH sound.

Most eventially come around to these ideas after trying the "more is better" route for a couple of years. :hiding:
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The point is, your idea of reasonable, is your own. Your needs are not the needs of everyone else. There may be people that have similar needs, but there will also be those that are going to want something different.
 

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