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8x15 Can't Wait

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#188
billfitzmaurice said:
Most of them. :p
Very few have to be told to reduce their volume; you don't get to the top of the heap by being clueless. Those members who were at all problematic were typically guitar'd players with stacks. Never a problem with any bass players, but that's got a lot to do with almost none of them using more than one 810, with a single 410 being the most commonly used rig. When you've got a million dollar PA there's little reason to use any more than that.
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Do I agree with that? Yes I do to a large extent. But our pal Johnny A from Staind says he cranks really loud...Justin Meldal-Johnsen said he was super loud with Beck and Nine Inch Nails (not so much with the Dixie Chicks). And there's Entwistle and Jack Bruce, of course. Jack Bruce is still deafening out of his amps from what I hear. So it's still being done successfully.

Interestingly there's little difference in levels by genre; metal acts tend to be no louder than country. Idiots in the FOH tend to be more of a problem than the band. But the threat of spending the night in the local lockup, along with a $15k fine, tends to change haughty attitudes in a hurry.
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Ya, people like that have ruined the sound at the ampitheater in Tampa. I sat 20 rows back and I had to strain to hear at a Dave Matthews concert. Ya, thanks for being so vigilant about the volume.

:p
 
#189
Yeah I am not really sure what bands Bill has worked with.
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billfitzmaurice said:
Most of them. :p
Very few have to be told to reduce their volume; you don't get to the top of the heap by being clueless. Those members who were at all problematic were typically guitar'd players with stacks. Never a problem with any bass players, but that's got a lot to do with almost none of them using more than one 810, with a single 410 being the most commonly used rig. When you've got a million dollar PA there's little reason to use any more than that.
Interestingly there's little difference in levels by genre; metal acts tend to be no louder than country. Idiots in the FOH tend to be more of a problem than the band. But the threat of spending the night in the local lockup, along with a $15k fine, tends to change haughty attitudes in a hurry.
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Wow really, I thought you were just a really good DIY speaker box builder, why so secretive - who have you work for, what LOUD national acts have you worked with live, and when and where? And which house and monitor mixing consoles did you use? Power amps/wattage, speakers, monitors, etc - name some of the big gun equipment you used?
 
#190
What about doing as 2 4x15 vertical cabs? You could probly be around 5 1/2 to 6 feet tall 2 foot wide and as deep as needed for volume. Put a carvin bx 1500 head up there!

I got this ideal from a dream where i had just a single 4x15 vertical cab. But hell why not have 2? You could do a towel bar on the back and wheels that make contact when you tilt it back! It would be its own dolly!!!
 
#193
JimmyM said:
Do I agree with that? Yes I do to a large extent. But our pal Johnny A from Staind says he cranks really loud...Justin Meldal-Johnsen said he was super loud with Beck and Nine Inch Nails (not so much with the Dixie Chicks). And there's Entwistle and Jack Bruce, of course. Jack Bruce is still deafening out of his amps from what I hear. So it's still being done successfully.


Ya, people like that have ruined the sound at the ampitheater in Tampa. I sat 20 rows back and I had to strain to hear at a Dave Matthews concert. Ya, thanks for being so vigilant about the volume.

:p
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We allowed acts to run to 115dB at the FOH, 125 feet out from the stage. Any idiot who couldn't live within that restriction not only belonged in jail, he belonged in an insane asylum. I also cruised the area covered by the remote far field stacks, where the FOH engineers couldn't hear them. More often than not I had to tell them to turn those up. And one of the worst sounding shows ever was 'Boston'. Tom is a nut about vocals being on top, so he won't let his FOH guy go higher than 100dB lest the vocals get buried, in his estimation anyway. I couldn't get him to turn it up to a nice comfortable 105dB.

I just checked my RTA files, when Matthews played for us they ran 105-110dB. If Tampa has a problem it's because they won't spend the $ to sufficiently isolate themselves from the neighbors. It can be done.
 
#194
I forget what the restriction is at the Tampa amphitheater but it's in the mid-90 db's past the first covered area. And one you're out from under the first covered area, the sound is gone. Only went to one show there and I'll never be back.

BTW, Tom Scholz is right...no matter what the music, if it has vocals, the most important mic on the stage is the lead vocal mic, not the freaking bass drum and snare drum!
 
#196
JimmyM said:
I forget what the restriction is at the Tampa amphitheater but it's in the mid-90 db's past the first covered area. And one you're out from under the first covered area, the sound is gone.
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That's the venue's fault. I'd fix it for them but I don't do Florida.

BTW, Tom Scholz is right...no matter what the music, if it has vocals, the most important mic on the stage is the lead vocal mic, not the freaking bass drum and snare drum!
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True, but you don't have to hold the whole band to 98dB. They sounded great...to the first ten rows that could hear them.
 

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