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A local TB'er ripped me off!!
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Isay we turn this into a Poll in which the Buyer and seller agree to
That being said: If there is part of the threads missing, And they are not still in the nut, Then it was broken when you received it! Period!
Here's the one thing I disagree with you about. If the Seller was Relieving the tension by pulling on the neck, That could make the Truss rod nut turn easier. The tension of the neck on the Nut makes it hard to turn. Always Always Alway relieve the tension on the neck before attempting to turn a Truss Rod Nut. After 40 years of building basses, I know what I am talking about.
That being said: If there is part of the threads missing, And they are not still in the nut, Then it was broken when you received it! Period!
The photos are not conclusive. That could be the way the truss rod looked when it left the factory.
Thanks, fascinating picture. I'm not a truss rod expert, so I have nothing useful to add other thank thanks for satisfying my curiosity.
And ya, that's certainly rust.
except that the nut was so tight when I got it that there's no way he could have adjusted it without noticing that it was excessively tight.
The seller seems fairly reasonable. They tried to get more information about it to see if the buyer is correct. So far they haven't been able to substantiate the claim that it was already broken. What would you do you know?
These things are never easy. Getting to the bottom of it can be tough.
Anyway, even though I was playing devils advocate I'm definitely not taking sides. I was just saying there's always two sides to the story and we shouldn't be immediately condemning one party in a dispute just because the other party talked first.
Honestly, this is actually none of our business anyway. This is between the buyer and seller. They can contact various folks (Paypal, credit cards, bank, mods at TB) to help them with their case. Everyone else getting involved is just passing judgements that won't actually resolve this.
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So it is your postion that the seller is an absolute liar?
That is your claim that it was excessively tight. I suggest that if the truss rod nut has 1/4" of purchase on the truss rod threads that it may well be functional. Maybe not ideal, but functional nonetheless.
Yes it is my position that the seller is not telling the truth. He also tries to cast me in the light of being haphazard and going willy nilly at the truss rod, however I again maintain that, upon Carl Pedigo's advice, I forced nothing and carefully and quite correctly removed the nut. My assurances to the seller thst I thought it would he alright were based on the fact that I trusted that it was simply matter of lubrication perhaps, and that he wouldn't have sold me a broken item. As of thst phone call to him, I was out and about shopping with my wife and hadn't yet removed the neck/nut.
Unless the threads are galled or stripped you should be able to fix the relief on this neck... I think this is much ado about nothing if the threads are good. Watch this vid on how to accomplish this properly.
That's what I keep thinking as I read this thread. Could the OP clean up the end of the rod and nut, put the nut back on and see it it'll work for him? Am I missing something here?
Yes. Looking at his profile, he uses TB as nothing more than a place to resell basses. Adding that he claimed a "pro setup", and that he also inspected the truss rod.....but an admitted amateur immediately noticed an issue.......
As to your second point.....no competent luthier would agree with you.
Giving the seller the benefit of the doubt, it smells like he bought it to flip, and unbeknownst to him, the rod was broken. He advertised it with a usual spiel about set up etc, maybe turned the nut a little because the action was high, and sold it to the buyer. In this situation there should be a refund or at the least splitting the $250 bill, as is suggested above.
Well after a couple of turns, the nut bottoms out and stops dead. I've never had a truss rod with such little travel. Have we not all always been advised that truss rods should be relatively easy to turn, and that if they seem excessively stiff or "frozen", not to force it?
Are you a competent luthier? Can a competent luthier please chime in on this? I am not a pro but I have alot of experience with bolts and threads. Truss rods have a pretty fine thread, 1/4" is plenty to provide a secure connection.
Friend....when the nut bottoms out before a proper setup is achieved because the threads are broken, then that can't, in any way, be "adequate".
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