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A local TB'er ripped me off!!
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Hmmmm.. That is low for a DJ..... That makes me think he KNEW about the truss rod issue....jus sayin!
I have something very similar happen with the sale of an instrument. I was the seller and when the person got the instrument they said that the truss rod was maxed out which I had no idea was the case. It was my fault as I didn't ever even check the truss rod because the instruments played fine the way it was set up. I felt horrible about it and offered to have it fixed for the buyer. At the end of the day it turned into an easy fix and I believe only cost $50 which he decided he would rather pay himself. But we are able to come to a civil understanding and as the seller I was willing to do whatever it took to make him happy. Just some food for thought. I'm not sure what the seller is offered you but from what he posted previously it seems like he is willing to do something. I could however be totally wrong.
What is really weird is that the seller was only selling it for $750???
SOLD - 2003 Lakland, Skyline Darryl Jones 4
So in other words, this may be a functional truss rod with visible wear and corrosion on the tip? You don't know if it will go into back bow. I thought this whole thread was all about a broken (as in will not work) truss rod and now you say you don't know if it will work.
If I were the seller I'd agree to cover the costs to have the truss brought back to useable condition where the bass can be adequately set up to factory standards. That might involve adding a couple of brass washers for $5 in parts and $50 in labor to chase the threads another quarter inch, or it might involve replacing the entire rod, or neck for a hundreds of bucks. In any case it would be totally at my discretion as to how it was fixed or who fixed it as long as it functually delivered an action within factory specs.
The seller now had refunded me the cost of the repair, $250.
You're right, and I find the entire experience unflattering, and I'm not proud to have been a part in it.
You could start to change things by changing the name of the thread to, "Tber worked with me, proving that selling and trading on TB is better than other outlets!"
Well I paid $800 on Re
um, I don't recall saying that I didn't know it it would work or not. My last comment on that I believe was that the local tech says it is indeed broken.So in other words, this may be a functional truss rod with visible wear and corrosion on the tip? You don't know if it will go into back bow. I thought this whole thread was all about a broken (as in will not work) truss rod and now you say you don't know if it will work.
If I were the seller I'd agree to cover the costs to have the truss brought back to useable condition where the bass can be adequately set up to factory standards. That might involve adding a couple of brass washers for $5 in parts and $50 in labor to chase the threads another quarter inch, or it might involve replacing the entire rod, or neck for a hundreds of bucks. In any case it would be totally at my discretion as to how it was fixed or who fixed it as long as it functually delivered an action within factory specs.
FWIW, the way the law works has nothing to do with where we sit, how we feel, or or what we think about it. The law is what the law says. As any competent attorney will tell you. And "fraud" has a very precise and formal legal definition. So be a little careful how you toss the word 'fraud' around. It doesn't mean quite what most people think it means in the legal world.
I deal with Paypal regularly. And as long as a product is received by the buyer - and the payment released to the seller - Paypal they will sidestep any other issues resulting from the transaction if at all possible. So having Paypal "decide" in favor one way or another in and of itself doesn't mean anything. Their primary interest is in providing what amounts to a payment escrow service. They collect the money and hold it until the product is received by the customer - or a common carrier issues a delivery confirmation. Then they release the payment to the seller. That's pretty much the extent of what they'll accept responsibility for. Even in a case of outright fraud. Like eBay, they will sympathize, then basically tell you it's between you and the seller, and there's nothing further they can do about it - and to please go read their 'rules' and terms of service (which you agreed to as a condition of using their service) if you don't understand why.
This sort of head-in-sand policy is pretty much universal for any payment system other than a traditional credit card transaction, which has very strong state and federal consumer protection laws governing it.
When dealing with any payment method other than a major credit card, it's caveat emptor (and seller) all the way.
Please note too that businesses like eBay and Paypal don't have to do business with you. If you rock the boat a little too hard, become a little too vocal, have your credit card company do a charge back, file a formal complaint with a consumer protection agency, or basically create any hassles they don't care to deal with, they can very easily cancel your account and refuse to do any further business with you - even if you're completely in the right from a legal perspective. It's kinda like when a mother tells her kids: "I don't care who started it - the next person that opens their mouth is grounded!" - which is what I think the forum admin (a few posts up) is politely suggesting.
@OP - Good luck.
At last, an irrelevant-to-the-thread distraction!! Thanks RBJ11, you have no idea!!
40 you sound objective and intelligent. Both traits that increase each other's stand-alone value. Thank youFWIW, the way the law works has nothing to do with where we sit, how we feel, or or what we think about it. The law is what the law says. As any competent attorney will tell you. And "fraud" has a very precise and formal legal definition. So be a little careful how you toss the word 'fraud' around. It doesn't mean quite what most people think it means in the legal world.
I deal with Paypal regularly. And as long as a product is received by the buyer - and the payment released to the seller - Paypal they will sidestep any other issues resulting from the transaction if at all possible. So having Paypal "decide" in favor one way or another in and of itself doesn't mean anything. Their primary interest is in providing what amounts to a payment escrow service. They collect the money and hold it until the product is received by the customer - or a common carrier issues a delivery confirmation. Then they release the payment to the seller. That's pretty much the extent of what they'll accept responsibility for. Even in a case of outright fraud. Like eBay, they will sympathize, then basically tell you it's between you and the seller, and there's nothing further they can do about it - and to please go read their 'rules' and terms of service (which you agreed to as a condition of using their service) if you don't understand why.
This sort of head-in-sand policy is pretty much universal for any payment system other than a traditional credit card transaction, which has very strong state and federal consumer protection laws governing it.
When dealing with any payment method other than a major credit card, it's caveat emptor (and seller) all the way.
Please note too that businesses like eBay and Paypal don't have to do business with you. If you rock the boat a little too hard, become a little too vocal, have your credit card company do a charge back, file a formal complaint with a consumer protection agency, or basically create any hassles they don't care to deal with, they can very easily cancel your account and refuse to do any further business with you - even if you're completely in the right from a legal perspective. It's kinda like when a mother tells her kids: "I don't care who started it - the next person that opens their mouth is grounded!" - which is what I think the forum admin (a few posts up) is politely suggesting.
@OP - Good luck.
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