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A "Metal Fender" discussion

#44
Burlington said:
LOL, seriously?
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i think so. my background is more traditional - the bands i've hung out with, and the studios i've hung out at, tend to focus on americana, soul, and rock and roll.
i'm sure emg's work for some folks, i've just always thought of them as sort of the opposite of what i like about fenders. my first thoughts for replacing fender pups would be seymour duncans if you're poor and nordstrands if you're rich.
which i suppose makes me an overgeneralizer, too.
 
#45
just to make sure i'm not completely crazy - i went to the emg site and only two of their endorsing artists play fender basses. neither of them is in a metal band.
i'm not bringing this up to say that it doesn't happen, just that i'm not completely crazy for being surprised.
 
#47
i love Cliff Burton but if he hadn't done "Anesthesia", no one would have ever noticed. he would've been better off in a Maiden/Rush type band where his playing could've been heard and appreciated. i used to love Metallica when he was there. you can have 'em since. i have about 7 P style basses with EMGs.

i only threw out the Steppenwolf statement as a reference to the Neal Kay mention. Neal Kay was pivotal in the NWOBHM, but not anywhere else. Metal existed before and after England. Blue Cheer, MC5, yadda yadda blah blah blog.... who cares? I just like arguing to maintain my "metal" status.
 
#49
Good to see that other people see the bastardization of metal. There are many bands out there that are mind-blowingly creative and are REAL metal, even though there are bands like TDWP and Slipknot that kids today think are sooo hardcore. These bands have zero creativity and most of the time just chug palm-muted notes. Underground bands like Akercocke, Anaal Nathrakh, Cormorant, Ihsahn, etc are successfully keeping the genre alive with creativity and talent.
 
#50
No matter what type of rebellion is being sold, we've seen it all-long before MTV appeared. Great music is in the ears of the beholder, no matter what the uniform.
Fenders basses, and Ampeg SVTs stood the test of time because they took a licking and kept on ticking. We have so much variety nowdays in what we can purchase for our craft.
The word "genre" is as played out as "tone", if it rocks it's good. If it cuts through the mix even better-and I bet it's a Fender
 
#52
Infiltration12 said:
Good to see that other people see the bastardization of metal. There are many bands out there that are mind-blowingly creative and are REAL metal, even though there are bands like TDWP and Slipknot that kids today think are sooo hardcore. These bands have zero creativity and most of the time just chug palm-muted notes. Underground bands like Akercocke, Anaal Nathrakh, Cormorant, Ihsahn, etc are successfully keeping the genre alive with creativity and talent.
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i guess i should be happy for not knowing who TDWP is!

thanks for the recommendations. i'ma look those guys up here in a second.
 
#53
Gojiras_Hejira said:
This is inspired by this thread: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650439

Fenders are the standard for the instrument and very common and very loved. Punk and metal are the genres that are the ones that are most "selling rebellion". Of course they shun the "norm". As indicated by the original post, there is an observable disparity in the occurrence of Fenders in these genres. I think there are valid considerations of psychology here.

Also, I consider the age of Metal to be 1976-81.
In any genre, you have brief underground beginnings. Iron Maiden did not grow up listening to heavy metal. It didn't exist. They grew up listening to Tull, Yes, The Who,Hendrix, Cream and Wishbone Ash. Sabbath and Purple and Blue Cheer were not considered 'Metal'.

As soon as you have people making Heavy metal bands because they grew up listening to heavy metal bands, the genre is inbred and wrecked and creatively watered down. The same is true of genres in any art form- painting, writing, photography, etc...

So after 1981 (coincidentally about the time Mtv appeared?), people were making Radio-friendly and Mtv-friendly metal. It was more about appearance than sound. Even the supposed anti-Mtv bands (still, just a backlash) were dressing up.
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I do agree with some of your points, but Metal is now A LOT BETTER than it ever was!

Of course with the enormous amount of bands that exist most of them will be completly unnoriginal and musically weak.
However, nowadays' bands are pushing everything to the edge, and I'm not talking about technical wanking. You can see it albums such as Gorgut's Obscura, Meshuggah's Destroy Erase Improve, Ark's Burn The Sun, Sol Niger Whithin's self titled and more recently in acts such as Animals As Leaders, Intronaut (Joe Lester is a fantastic bassist by the way), Gojira, etc.

In fact, when I hear some of the "old stuff" and compare it to comtemporary acts I laugh at the enormous difference. There has been a significant improvement.

Although I completly agree that those old timers were pioneers for doing what anyone wasn't at the time nowadays they've been clearly surpassed by some.
 
#60
I can attest to this first hand.
I get more flack than I thought I would being in a metal/punk(DeathPunk) band using a fender Jazz.
I'm always asked why I'm not playing Ibanez or Warwicks or something to that effect.
Don't know why that is, but I always have the same answer for them.
It feels RIGHT, and that's far more important that trends within any genre.

I've never played a bass that felt as right in my hands as my MIM Jazz.
 

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