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Double Bass A what bass???? Weitzl???

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OK here is this for thought. Maybe it will open your eyes.

I took it to a highly acknowledged bass lutheir and restorer. He says that the brand, condition resale and price of restored kays like this should have a high price. but in its present condition and what it will take to restore it, it is worth close to nothing.

NEW BACK, NECK, FRONT, SIDES REFINISHED, BRIDGE, TUNERS, ENDPIN, SOUNDPOAST, FINGERBOARD, and sooo much more.

He said the only good offer of this bass he could give me was $200. He wished that I just give it away to a beginner. and have them do any necessary work.
 
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The bass has been sitting in standing water????? No real person could possibly be this stupid.

This makes no sense at all, this kid has got to be a TROLL.

No more energy should be wasted on this.

Don't feed the trolls.
 
Actually it doesnt smell like water, but you can see the water line in it. No mold.

IT LOOKS LIKE IM KEEPING THIS KAY. so be nice to me.... part of the reason is because of you people.

And what do you mean about the standing water thing? That means that the water sat there and the bass sat with it. and that is what happend. NOT WHEN I OWNED THE BASS. THE BASS IS IN GOOD HANDS PEOPLE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT. I wont abuse it. I NEVER DID ABUSE IT!!!!! I take great care of it. Polishing it, keppin it in good temp areas, and out of harms way always, none of the scratches or chips were from me.
 
Actually it doesnt smell like water, but you can see the water line in it. No mold.

IT LOOKS LIKE IM KEEPING THIS KAY. so be nice to me.... part of the reason is because of you people.

And what do you mean about the standing water thing? That means that the water sat there and the bass sat with it. and that is what happend. NOT WHEN I OWNED THE BASS. THE BASS IS IN GOOD HANDS PEOPLE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT. I wont abuse it. I NEVER DID ABUSE IT!!!!! I take great care of it. Polishing it, keppin it in good temp areas, and out of harms way always, none of the scratches or chips were from me.

I don't know if you realize it, but when you type "has been in standing water for a week" instead of "had been..." it really implies that the bass is still in the water; hence a few people here freaking out thinking that you're mistreating the instrument and don't deserve it.

I don't quite agree with that sentiment, but I will say that it would be helpful to your cause to slow the f**** down when you're writing this stuff. You'll make more of us here understand what you're trying to say, when you actually say what you mean. ;)

I'm sure at this point you couldn't give a crap about my advice - cats far more experienced than I have already given you quite a bit. Nonetheless, here it is:

Let's break it down. You currently own a bass. It needs some work, which will cost money. You don't apparently have the cash to pay for all the repairs. That probably also means you don't have much to spend on a new bass either...

Why not save a little money - fix the first most obvious thing on the bass. String height making it unplayable? Get the bridge fixed, and maybe a new set of strings if you need. It'll play better, and you'll be happier with it. Keep it - play it - save some more money........fix the next thing when you can....

Eventually, you'll have a Kay in working order. Then you can either decide to sell it, or keep it, or take up bongos, or whichever.

Dig?
 
I don't know if you realize it, but when you type "has been in standing water for a week" instead of "had been..." it really implies that the bass is still in the water; hence a few people here freaking out thinking that you're mistreating the instrument and don't deserve it.

I don't quite agree with that sentiment, but I will say that it would be helpful to your cause to slow the f**** down when you're writing this stuff. You'll make more of us here understand what you're trying to say, when you actually say what you mean. ;)

I'm sure at this point you couldn't give a crap about my advice - cats far more experienced than I have already given you quite a bit. Nonetheless, here it is:

Let's break it down. You currently own a bass. It needs some work, which will cost money. You don't apparently have the cash to pay for all the repairs. That probably also means you don't have much to spend on a new bass either...

Why not save a little money - fix the first most obvious thing on the bass. String height making it unplayable? Get the bridge fixed, and maybe a new set of strings if you need. It'll play better, and you'll be happier with it. Keep it - play it - save some more money........fix the next thing when you can....

Eventually, you'll have a Kay in working order. Then you can either decide to sell it, or keep it, or take up bongos, or whichever.

Dig?

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I'm going to weigh in here exactly once, then go away. I have zero confidence Brandon will listen to me any more than he has to anyone, but here goes:

I bought a garage-sale Kay and took it to a well-known bass luthier (who shall remain anonymous). He took one look, rolled his eyes and said, "I wish I had a fireplace, so we could burn that thing!" Then he directed me to his showroom of basses for sale.

I took it to a teacher, who rolled his eyes and said "Hey, I'll do you a favor. I'll trade you a low-end Palatino for this...out of the goodness of my heart."

I took it to another well-known luthier--one so busy with setups and repairs he didn't bother with sales. He took one look, congratulated me on my purchase and said without doubt it was worth fixing up. When I realized I couldn't afford him, he happily steered me toward another up-and-coming luthier.

I have a very playable bass now. And a new teacher, who likes playing it too and would buy it off of me in a heartbeat. He rolls his eyes at those earlier assessments.

Moral of the story: Some people have agendas. Others don't. You can't take everyone's word at face value. It's not a bad idea to get multiple opinions, and maybe listen a little more closely to those who are disinterested parties.

Knowhatimean?

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I am listening to all of you. I just cant see my bass sound very nice when restored. Because all Kays Ive ever heard were jazzie sounding, and dont seem to do well with the UPER registers of the bass. I like the bass, but it gets muddy and screachy in the low and high registers when playing fast classical.

I am and will take all advise, but its just that things nowadays are expensive, so Im having trouble getting to see/ do any on this stuff.
 
I am and will take all advise, but its just that things nowadays are expensive, so Im having trouble getting to see/ do any on this stuff.

what i still can't understand is how you believe that you will come up with the money to buy a new bass after selling yours. What you are looking for in your bass is at least a 3000-5000 dollar purchase and from what i have collected from this thread, you can certainly not afford that.

so it seems like you are just conjuring up ideas and having all these basses and trucks that you want and you don't have the money to buy them.

so, why don't you just deal with your bass for now and buy a nicer one for yourself when you get into college (save up some money and in the next 4 or 5 years i'm sure you'll have enough to afford something nice). no one's going to judge you now for what kind of bass you have. you're 14 for crying out loud. you're way ahead of me. i didn't get my own bass until 2 years ago

get the setup and put the money into the bass and get your bass playable so when the time comes you CAN sell it and upgrade to the bass you want
 
none of you have ever played my bass, so dont tell me its worth anything. ive already had sooo much proof on what its worth.... and most were closer to making fire wood, than being worth fixing up.

Not trying to be rude, i know that one did sound like that, but just please understand that this IS not a bass for the every day classical player. Looks great, I will tell you that. But please note that the sound is off, and DOES not sound right.
 
and im not going to spend money on the bass if it needs to be reglued each year, and needs constant work, like ive been having to do to it. I will sell it, and collect money for a working bass.

stop telling me that i dont have/ need anything or tell me why i should get it, its my bass, not yours. Ive played it, you have not. Ive seen it, you have not. Ive had it apprased by 6 people, you have no idea what they said about it.

Each time i take it to a store, its something new thats wrong with it. Now today the neck is warped, and finger board is comming off
 
One more try.

Brandon, please consider that it aint about the bass. I got a full scholarship to one of the great schools on the planet, studied with some great musicians, played with some amazing players, played my butt off, and made a lot of music on one of the funkiest, raspiest, most hammered, cheapest no-name beater basses ever created.

Yeah, I paid for some repair work. Yeah, I had luthiers put on a bridges and fingerboards a couple of times. Yeah, seams opened up. Yeah, my bass was never worth much. These things take money to maintain, even the cheap, beat-up ones.

Again, it ain't about the bass. Playing is mostly about muscular memory and our musical minds.

I was a broke teenager and a broke young adult. No family support, no trust fund, no nothing, left home at 17, bounced around this great nation on my own. Could never get any more money together than to make my dog-a*s bass work.

And you know what? When I was in the conservatory orchestra, next to all the kids whose parents had bought them the $20-40K basses and had sent them to Julliard prep and Tanglewood summer camp, and when I was on jazz gigs later, it didn't make a rat's a*s how fancy anybody's bass was.

Some people could play, and some couldn't. It was about how much each of us had practiced, and how talented and driven we were, and who we studied with, and how hungry we were.

I get that your teacher doesn't want to play your bass. It is probably set up like h*ll, so its a drag to get around on. I get that, but the setup is changeable. The warped neck and the failing glue joint may need a thicker fingerboard, whatever. What do the luthiers want to make it right?

I respectfully submit, again, is that you should strongly consider spending the little money you have to get your bass working. Maybe it will cost you some money, okay, I get that, it may seem like a lot of money to spend on a beater bass. Its still less than a new bass, that will then eat up money, too.

Then practice and play your a*s off...I am talking 5-10 hours a day, every day, for several years. Quit worrying about your bass and spend the energy on your reading, sight singing, ochestral repertoire, jazz repertoire, intonation, bowing articulations, thumb position, piano, double stop shifting, trills, scales/arpeggios, rhythmic exercises, classical solos, string crossing exercises, etc.

In other words, I suspect that you've got bigger fish to fry. Unless you are already such a monster player that you are ready to audition and get into Curtis, or you are ready to go on the road with your favorite professional players, you probably have a few things to focus on, other than how crappy your bass is.

A groovy bass won't make any of us able to play. All I needed, at 14, was a playable instrument, as inexpensive as possible. A box, a fingerboard, and some strings that I could press down.

If you buy anything else, I mean ANYTHING else, you will still have to f*ck with it endlessly and spend money to have a luthier love it up. In double basses, there is no free lunch, that I have seen.

Man, that felt good! Even if I am pis*ing up a rope...:)
 
Yes yes yes I would love to restore this, and modify. But PLEASE PLEASE note that I some what cant for some reason. My parents are so caught up, that they kind of dont want to fix this up, as they also have heard from the lutheirs about its condition.

I would like to put a ebony fingerboard on it, as well as a new neck.

But my problem is when I see a bass like this=

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Who can not think; " i bet that sounds better than a Kay"
It may not, and it may, But thats my problem. Ive played too many expensive basses, and realized there was 1 problem: Why did my bass not sound like that?

So Ive been planing with my parents what to do, where to go; to find one like that.



And wouldnt you agree that that is a beautiful bass???



Oh and one note and I was told this "You can only do so much to a bass before its another bass" And thats just that. If you replace the back or neck, its not the same.
 
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