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Accugoove Cabs, Mark Wright and Mike Fredericks

#61
My prediction-you will be stunned by the clarity and by the responsiveness and power. The only comparison you'll have is a studio monitor, with slamming force but total control.

Just break them in before you start trying to form a conclusion. Several hours of sound at low to moderate volume is sufficient. Run your iPod through it for an eye-opener.
 
#65
geshel said:
Did AG ever release any sort of public apology or refund offer in regards to the AccuSwitch?
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No.

Moving along to the topic at hand now........

kjones said:
My prediction-you will be stunned by the clarity and by the responsiveness and power. The only comparison you'll have is a studio monitor, with slamming force but total control.

Just break them in before you start trying to form a conclusion. Several hours of sound at low to moderate volume is sufficient. Run your iPod through it for an eye-opener.
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HA!!
This is almost EXACTLY what I told Mike on the phone earlier today!!

Those suckers sound great with audio pumping through them.
I am yet to find a bass cab that actually sounds good when audio is going through them.
But, we play bass through them, so........nevermind!!

I've said this to Mike, it's like walking into a studio and plugging in to the board and listening to your bass.
You go: "Oh, I need to add/take away blah blah blah" and you do.
With other bass cabs you plung in and go: "Oh, I need to add/take away blah blah blah" and then you start trying to find ways around the manufactures "pre-set EQ curve" on the cab itself.
Now, the way it sounds might be the cats fuzzy nuts to you and your in tone nirvana. Great!!
Then you get to a boomy room. Or a dull room. Or one that sucks every bit of low end out of everything. And your fighting the "pre-set EQ curve" on the cab as well as what ever your environment is that gig.
And you start spinning the knobs.

Thus far with these, flat is where it's at.

And I just got word that I'm gonna really test the "flatness" of these cabs.
A good friend of mine just finished what amounts to one of the better rooms in the area for mastering. (the build on the room took like 3 years).

I told him about my cabs and he said bring those suckers on by and we'll see what they can do.
Maybe this weekend.

I could not believe how easy it was to dial something in and actually hear the results.
Now I think I figured out why amps have sometimes 15db cut and boost on them. You need that much to get through the crap in the box.
Ask most any engineer to cut or boost a specific frequency by say 12db and watch the look you get.

In a year or two, I may feel the need to get something else and try something different.
I did before with Bergantino, Epifani (a while back I also had a UL310), LDS, Eden, SWR, Bag End.
But as of now, I don't know why I didn't get a hold of these a long time ago.
 
#67
MikeBass said:
No.

Moving along to the topic at hand now........



HA!!
This is almost EXACTLY what I told Mike on the phone earlier today!!

Those suckers sound great with audio pumping through them.
I am yet to find a bass cab that actually sounds good when audio is going through them.
But, we play bass through them, so........nevermind!!

I've said this to Mike, it's like walking into a studio and plugging in to the board and listening to your bass.
You go: "Oh, I need to add/take away blah blah blah" and you do.
With other bass cabs you plung in and go: "Oh, I need to add/take away blah blah blah" and then you start trying to find ways around the manufactures "pre-set EQ curve" on the cab itself.
Now, the way it sounds might be the cats fuzzy nuts to you and your in tone nirvana. Great!!
Then you get to a boomy room. Or a dull room. Or one that sucks every bit of low end out of everything. And your fighting the "pre-set EQ curve" on the cab as well as what ever your environment is that gig.
And you start spinning the knobs.

Thus far with these, flat is where it's at.

And I just got word that I'm gonna really test the "flatness" of these cabs.
A good friend of mine just finished what amounts to one of the better rooms in the area for mastering. (the build on the room took like 3 years).

I told him about my cabs and he said bring those suckers on by and we'll see what they can do.
Maybe this weekend.

I could not believe how easy it was to dial something in and actually hear the results.
Now I think I figured out why amps have sometimes 15db cut and boost on them. You need that much to get through the crap in the box.
Ask most any engineer to cut or boost a specific frequency by say 12db and watch the look you get.

In a year or two, I may feel the need to get something else and try something different.
I did before with Bergantino, Epifani (a while back I also had a UL310), LDS, Eden, SWR, Bag End.
But as of now, I don't know why I didn't get a hold of these a long time ago.
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Yeah, what Mike said, what Mark explained to me and some PM's from other AG users all seemed to be pretty much spot on and identical. I am actually tired of trying to work around inherant cab tunings. I liked the El Whappo I tried last year but it was too big for me.

LMAO, why I ever bought the NV's at 100lbs. is still making me scratch my head. :confused:

I had plans for a huge cabinet test and I started to realize one, what a huge undertaking it was going to be and two, that most of the cabs are in the 100lb. range and NOT modular. So why even do it?

Have already been in long discussion with Mark about a good many things including this Tri115L/Tri112L setup. Mark has some cool things coming down the pike in the next year or two (if all goes well).

Looks like this will probably be the new rig (unless it sounds like ass - doubtful):

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#69
MikeBass said:
Thus far with these, flat is where it's at.
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Definetly. The best sound I've ever had starts with flat EQ both on my bass (Benavente fretless) and on the amp (Eden WT-800).

MikeBass said:
Now I think I figured out why amps have sometimes 15db cut and boost on them. You need that much to get through the crap in the box.
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Indeed. The EQ on my Eden head makes big sonic difference only with one notch turn on the gain knob (which ought to be about 3dB cut or boost).

My rig: :hyper:

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#71
MacGroove said:
Just as a reminder Mike, of course you probably already know this, but the Whappo Jr. has one of it's 12's as a sub 12 and if using 2-Tri112's you will not have that sub 12, so there will be a difference to concider. Just a reminder. :hiding: :cool: :p
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I may be wrong but I thought that the Tri112L's have a 12" sub in them, so with two you get 2x12" subs, 2x6"mid 4x2"tweeters which is more than you get in a Whappo JR.

I am sure someone will give the definative answer

Regards

Matthew

btw I use 2xTri112L's as my rig. [my very own Whappo Jr in 2 boxes with added lows]
 
#72
matthewfoote said:
I may be wrong but I thought that the Tri112L's have a 12" sub in them...
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That's what I heard when I was looking into these cabs a while back. Which also means that the Tri-112 and Tri-115 isn't a Whappo in two boxes because the 12" speaker is more bass and less mid-bass/midrange oriented. And that's not even taking into account enclosure volume and tuning.

Alex
 
#73
BigMikeW said:
Which combo (2 Tri 112's or the Jr.) had the better mid punch?
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Mike,
I have and still use a pair of Tri112's and have used a Jr (or two!) quite a bit also. I actually heard clearer mid punch with the pair of 112's. One of my favorite tones ever was an MTD through a Glock BAC into a pair of Tri112's. That rig was clean and articulate like you've never heard before and with a low end clarity that stayed honest all the way down to the open B.
 
#74
matthewfoote said:
I may be wrong but I thought that the Tri112L's have a 12" sub in them, so with two you get 2x12" subs, 2x6"mid 4x2"tweeters which is more than you get in a Whappo JR.

I am sure someone will give the definative answer

Regards

Matthew

btw I use 2xTri112L's as my rig. [my very own Whappo Jr in 2 boxes with added lows]
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The Wappo Jr has two 12's yes, but one is crossed over and functions as a sub only. Where as the other runs at almost full range.

And yes, you would get double the mid range driver and tweeters.

I would agree with Joel (and this would only be an guess on my part) that a pair of Tri112's would be a punchy-er than a Wappo Jr.
Maybe not a big sounding. But I would think maybe tighter lows (if you can imagine that).
 
#75
MikeBass said:
The Wappo Jr has two 12's yes, but one is crossed over and functions as a sub only. Where as the other runs at almost full range.

And yes, you would get double the mid range driver and tweeters.

I would agree with Joel (and this would only be an guess on my part) that a pair of Tri112's would be a punchy-er than a Wappo Jr.
Maybe not a big sounding. But I would think maybe tighter lows (if you can imagine that).
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When Mark explained it to me he said the 12's aren't on a crossover. He said "the two separate woofers are ran full range, but are very precise as to their frequency range by their design (21 different parameters) and by the cubic inches & unique individual tuning of the ports". Just though I would clarify.

Hope your feeling better Mike.
 
#76
tbone0813 said:
When Mark explained it to me he said the 12's aren't on a crossover. He said "the two separate woofers are ran full range, but are very precise as to their frequency range by their design (21 different parameters) and by the cubic inches & unique individual tuning of the ports". Just though I would clarify.

Hope your feeling better Mike.
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Ahh, I thought from the description on the AG site it was a sub.
It lists it as a "12" sub woffer" and the other as a "12" mid woofer".

What ever!! I'm sure it still slams!!!:bassist:
 
#77
MikeBass said:
Ahh, I thought from the description on the AG site it was a sub.
It lists it as a "12" sub woffer" and the other as a "12" mid woofer".

What ever!! I'm sure it still slams!!!:bassist:
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You are correct in that it is a 12" sub woofer, and a 12" mid woofer. They are both ran full range, but because of the cabinet design (i.e. custom tuned ports), and the parameters of the speakers (i.e. 1 speaker being a NEO, and the other being regular + other parameters) their tuning is different creating the "sub" woofer & "mid" woofer


I can definitely vouch for the slamming aspect. Not another cabinet on the market can compete IMHO.
 
#78
tbone0813 said:
They are both ran full range, but because of the cabinet design (i.e. custom tuned ports), and the parameters of the speakers (i.e. 1 speaker being a NEO, and the other being regular + other parameters) their tuning is different creating the "sub" woofer & "mid" woofer
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Are you SURE about this? I thought there was filtering involved as well.
 
#79
Vic said:
Are you SURE about this? I thought there was filtering involved as well.
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It concurs with everything I've read - the only crossovers in AccuGroove cabs are simple first order filters (capacitor) on 6" mid and dome tweeters. Everything else is run full-range - hence the thick sound because you have so many different midrange sources.

Alex
 
#80
alexclaber said:
It concurs with everything I've read - the only crossovers in AccuGroove cabs are simple first order filters (capacitor) on 6" mid and dome tweeters. Everything else is run full-range - hence the thick sound because you have so many different midrange sources.
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Ok, thanks. Not sure where I remember it from anyway.
 

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