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Accugoove Cabs, Mark Wright and Mike Fredericks

#82
Re: scooped.

I would definitely call my old Tri210L mid-shy. That is not a bad thing, just it's personality. It was very bottom heavy, to the point of being unbelievable, and when matched with my EBS head it was a bit of boom-thwack if you know what I mean.

I was very impressed with kjones El Whappo Jr. I actually was quite surprised, and reading the specs, the weight is just right for me. I think I'll be aiming for one of those in the future, unless I get a chance to hear the Tri115 + Tri112. I would have just upgraded to the Whappo Jr straight away, but these cabs are certainly in the highest of the high price ranges (As far as cabinets go). I couldn't upgrade the amp and cab at the same time.

BigMike, one of the things to keep in mind, and I know you were looking at the DB750, is that kjones' rig is amazing! Seriously, when I was playing through it and listening to him at rehearsal, I couldn't understand how people called the DB750 boomy or pillowy.
 
#83
Sean Baumann said:
Re: scooped.

I would definitely call my old Tri210L mid-shy.
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If you're saying you'd consider the 210 "scooped" by saying this, I disagree. IMHO, scooped means lotsa lows but also lots of highs. From my experiences with the 210, it has tons of lows and especially low mids, but also has somewhat subdued highs, so to my ears, it doesn't sound "scooped", it just sounds "thick" and huge. Definitely the biggest sounding 210 I've ever had, but not my cup-o-tea. Now, the Tri 112L, that's another story... I'd still not say "scooped", but DEFINITELY my cup-o-tea! :)
 
#84
Vic said:
Now, the Tri 112L, that's another story... I'd still not say "scooped", but DEFINITELY my cup-o-tea! :)
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Yeah, deciding between a Tri112L stack and the Tri115L/Tri112L stack will be a tough one.

I tend to have slightly wooly sounding fingers so the tighter bottom of a Tri112L stack might work better. We will see. :D
 
#85
elros said:
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My rig: :hyper:

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wow!

great setup. and IME, the Eden gear really mated well w/ accugroove gear. they also look quite awesome together.
 
#86
BigMikeW said:
Yeah, deciding between a Tri112L stack and the Tri115L/Tri112L stack will be a tough one.

I tend to have slightly wooly sounding fingers so the tighter bottom of a Tri112L stack might work better. We will see. :D
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I'll be very interested to hear the outcome on this one.
 
#88
Sean Baumann said:
I didn't say scooped, I said mid-shy. It wasn't that they were not there, just that they were over-powered by the lows (and highs of my EBS, yes.. I use the bright :D ). IMHO the tri210L is very much un-eden like.
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Yeah, I know you didn't say scooped, but I couldn't be sure the way it read to me with the "re: scooped" at the top, which is why I said "if". It was sort of a question at the same time. Didn't mean to put words in your mouth. :)

I totally concur with what you're saying... especially about the Eden comparison. I really dug my Eden cabs, too, but just wanted to go with lighter solutions.
 
#92
Sean Baumann said:
BigMike, one of the things to keep in mind, and I know you were looking at the DB750, is that kjones' rig is amazing! Seriously, when I was playing through it and listening to him at rehearsal, I couldn't understand how people called the DB750 boomy or pillowy.
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Thanks, Sean, the terms pillowy or boomy don't apply to my rig at all. Now, I've been in bad rooms that move towards boom, but that's what EQ is for! The adjectives I would use for the Sadowsky-DB750-Whappo Jr. would be tight, massive, articulate, and sledgehammery.

Or something like that. ;)
 
#94
Vic said:
Are you SURE about this? I thought there was filtering involved as well.
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Positive as this is what Mark told me.

Regardless the Whappo Jr. is a massive cabinet. Can't imagine playing anything else though the Tri112 & Tri115 combo that everyone has been talking about has my curiosity peaked. Anxious to hear how it sounds.:hyper:
 
#96
kjones said:
Thanks, Sean, the terms pillowy or boomy don't apply to my rig at all. Now, I've been in bad rooms that move towards boom, but that's what EQ is for! The adjectives I would use for the Sadowsky-DB750-Whappo Jr. would be tight, massive, articulate, and sledgehammery.

Or something like that. ;)
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I may still try the DB750 with them. I do have a DB659 on loan to me and if I like it I was told I could buy it.

I will try both with the DB659 using the power section of my Eden WT-1205. That should be interesting. :eek:

You think 1,200 Eden watts is good enough for these two cabs? ;) :bassist: :D :eek:
 
#97
I may be wrong but I thought that the Tri112L's have a 12" sub in them, so with two you get 2x12" subs, 2x6"mid 4x2"tweeters which is more than you get in a Whappo JR. (Matthew)
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That's what I heard when I was looking into these cabs a while back. Which also means that the Tri-112 and Tri-115 isn't a Whappo in two boxes because the 12" speaker is more bass and less mid-bass/midrange oriented. And that's not even taking into account enclosure volume and tuning. (Alex)
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The Tri 112L uses the same lower 12” driver that we use as the lower 12” in the Whappo Jr. The upper woofer in the Jr. is the same one we use for the upper woofer in the El Whappo.

Will two Tri 112L cabs sound exactly like a Whappo Jr.? If you turn down the highs a touch & add slightly to the mids with your EQ, you would have a very hard time telling them from a Jr. Likewise, if you take a Jr. & add a touch to the highs, you’ll have a hard time telling it from two Tri 112L cabs.

Are they 100% the same identical cabinet, of course not? We have never said they are. However, they are as close as it gets. That’s why we can say that’s two Tri 112L cabs are “basically” like a portable Jr. with more highs.

The same is true with a Tri 112L & a Tri 115L. Is it 100% identical to an El Whappo; physically no. The El Whappo uses a different upper 12” woofer. (as does the Jr.) However, we've had many artists do double bind tests & it’s hard to sonically tell them part accept for the highs. (double tweeters & 6”)

Because all of these cabs are different sizes, the enclosure volumes and tunings are accurately refined to faithfully reproduce the signature of the originals. I hope this helps...
 
#99
matthewfoote said:
I may be wrong but I thought that the Tri112L's have a 12" sub in them, so with two you get 2x12" subs, 2x6"mid 4x2"tweeters which is more than you get in a Whappo JR.

I am sure someone will give the definative answer

Regards

Matthew

btw I use 2xTri112L's as my rig. [my very own Whappo Jr in 2 boxes with added lows]
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My bad, just got off the phone with Mark to explain it to me. What I read off the web site is that the Whappo Jr. has a 12" mid woofer and a 12" sub woofer and for the Tri112L has a
12" woofer, but which one, Mark said it's the 12" sub woofer.
So again, sorry, my bad. :hiding:
 
#100
BigMikeW said:
You think 1,200 Eden watts is good enough for these two cabs? ;) :bassist: :D :eek:
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Uh, yeah, 1200 watts will just about do it. ;)

In all seriousness, I love (and prefer) Aguilar-Accugroove, but I used an Eden this weekend into my 112L, and the tone just killed. No enhance, a touch of treble, otherwise flat. Just ________ beautiful.
 

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