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Acme Full Range Series III 112

#141
tombowlus said:
Ken already posted his response, but I did compare the Acme Flatwound to the HT112ER, and as far as the audible or perceived low end is concerned, the Berg seemed just as big/deep down low. Here's something I posted in another thread that is somewhat related:
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Something a bit strange there IMO, given the Acme sounds SO much bigger to me than these other cabs. This varies greatly with amplification used with the Acme, so, for example, it doesn't sound quite as big as it is capable of with my F500, etc. With a typical 500 watt micro, you probably won't hear a big difference in low end extension.

Most likely, you haven't made full use of the low end capability of the Acme. If you have a Rob Allen available, check that out with both cabs (or an MTD 353 with your M9... that would do it). Also, I too feel that the 8ohm HT112ER and the 4ohm Acme are similar in perceived maximum volume (all other thing being equal, and assuming you have the absolute power available to drive the Acme to full performance), which also suggests and explains the deeper low end extension of the FullRange sucking up more power to achieve similar perceived max volume overall (again, for better or worse).

That being said, yes, for all practical purposes, the HT112ER extends low enough for most players, and has a much more meaty low mid response that also fools the ear a little bit regarding the absolute low end response.
 
#142
These are great-looking cabs. Had a chance to try one the other day. IMHO, not good for my application at all these days, which is mainly stage monitoring in loud rock bands where I have to hear myself alongside heavily distorted guitars and too much low end causes uncomfortable "buildup" of low frequencies.

It'd be great for solo work though; but I don't think that particular tone profile works well "in the mix" for what I do. I'm pretty new to the realm of super 112s (only having played my Thunderchild and the Acme, and spent a little time with an HT112 (non-ER)) so take this with a grain of salt.
 
#143
tombowlus said:
Ken already posted his response, but I did compare the Acme Flatwound to the HT112ER, and as far as the audible or perceived low end is concerned, the Berg seemed just as big/deep down low. Here's something I posted in another thread that is somewhat related:

Since the HT112ER (HD112) is the only model left standing, I'll talk about that. I've been able to compare it to the fEARful 12/6cube/1, Acoustic Friendly Thunderchild, and the Acme Flatwound, and the Berg definitely holds its own in this proud company. It is the most "voiced" of the group, but yet still fairly balanced from top to bottom. If anything, it does have a bit of a dip in the middle to upper midrange, but it has huge lows, beautiful highs, and great clarity (while still sounding like a "bass cab"). Despite being an 8-ohm cab, I found it to be within spitting distance, in terms of actual perceived volume, to the 4-ohm Acme and TC112AF (using several different "500-watt" micro heads).
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Tom,

Do you have any idea what the price of the Berg 112HD will be?

According to Jim's website, it will be a heavier, larger box than the Acme, the Thunderchild and some others.
 
#144
KJung said:
Something a bit strange there IMO, given the Acme sounds SO much bigger to me than these other cabs. This varies greatly with amplification used with the Acme, so, for example, it doesn't sound quite as big as it is capable of with my F500, etc. With a typical 500 watt micro, you probably won't hear a big difference in low end extension.

Most likely, you haven't made full use of the low end capability of the Acme. If you have a Rob Allen available, check that out with both cabs (or an MTD 353 with your M9... that would do it). Also, I too feel that the 8ohm HT112ER and the 4ohm Acme are similar in perceived maximum volume (all other thing being equal, and assuming you have the absolute power available to drive the Acme to full performance), which also suggests and explains the deeper low end extension of the FullRange sucking up more power to achieve similar perceived max volume overall (again, for better or worse).

That being said, yes, for all practical purposes, the HT112ER extends low enough for most players, and has a much more meaty low mid response that also fools the ear a little bit regarding the absolute low end response.
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Thank you both for your responses! Integrating each of your viewpoints has given me the information I need - it's the Berg for me.

Bob
 
#145
It is not the deeper low end extension of the Acme sucking up power. It's that sacrifices in sensitivity are made to achieve low end extension. Sounds like a small deal, but "sucking up power" is really the wrong way of looking at it, since it's the speaker not being as loud (per watt) that causes the phenomenon.
 
#147
fretno said:
that is a sweet cab , and a very attractive price . KJung do you still have your TCE RH450 and if so could you smack the cab with it and give your opinion . Thanks
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The Streamliner replaced my RH450 about a year ago, so unfortunately can't do that. My gut feel is it wouldn't be a very good match-up. I've found the RH450 to do very well with 'tight and warm' cabs versus the wide footprint of cabs like the AE212. And, the Acme is really wide down low. Just guessing there, but I think it is probably a pretty good guess!
 
#148
rpsands said:
It is not the deeper low end extension of the Acme sucking up power. It's that sacrifices in sensitivity are made to achieve low end extension. Sounds like a small deal, but "sucking up power" is really the wrong way of looking at it, since it's the speaker not being as loud (per watt) that causes the phenomenon.
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I believe it also has to do with lower impedance way down low, which allows more power to be used in that frequency range. Kind of the same thing, but your description is a bit backwards for me.

EA has a nice technical description of this on their website (or they used to)... i.e., the different impedance curves or various cabs.

Regardless, I agree, takes a bit more wattage to get the Acme's to full volume, but it is a wonderful thing if you have the muscle to do it and like a deep, round low end.
 
#149
RColie said:
Thank you both for your responses! Integrating each of your viewpoints has given me the information I need - it's the Berg for me.

Bob
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That would be the 'safe bet', since the Berg HT and I assume HD, behaves more similarly to a 'typical' 112... i.e., doesn't need a lot of power and doesn't have the massive, deep low end extension. It will be a bit heavier, but I'm pretty sure it will be smaller also... in between the VERY small Thunderchild, and the quite large Acme.

It is pretty hard to 'make a mistake' with one of Jim's cabs IMO.
 
#150
KJung said:
The Streamliner replaced my RH450 about a year ago, so unfortunately can't do that. My gut feel is it wouldn't be a very good match-up. I've found the RH450 to do very well with 'tight and warm' cabs versus the wide footprint of cabs like the AE212. And, the Acme is really wide down low. Just guessing there, but I think it is probably a pretty good guess!
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Thank you Sir , what is on your list for "tight and warm" cabs ? :ninja:
 
#151
fretno said:
Thank you Sir , what is on your list for "tight and warm" cabs ? :ninja:
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The TC RS210 sounds GREAT with that head, as does the little Bag End 'x' cube with the tweeter (I can never remember the name of that SD15x of something). The Berg AE410 and 210 sound magnicent also if you can find one.

IMO there.... those types of cabs magnify what is good about the RH450/750 (i.e., a warm, mid present, organic tone) versus overemphasize what some feel is not so good (a bit of compressed low end, and in the case of the 450, a greatly rolled of top end, etc.).

I have a clip up of the RH450 with the HT112ER, directly comparing to a couple of other heads on my Youtube channel. If you have a good playback system, you can hear what I'm talking about (the HT112ER is kind of in that 'wide voiced' universe that I'm talking about, so can serve as a bit of a proxy form the FullRange).
 
#155
JxBass said:
At least one more round of tests to go before I make my final decision. I mentioned in an earlier post that I will keep only one 112 and one 115. So I will either return the Acme or sell the TC112. I'm not off the fence yet, but I'm strongly leaning toward selling the TC112. I wouldn't do this if I didn't have a Thunderchild 115 in the works. Still, it's hard to let go of a cab so beautifully designed and packaged as the TC112.

All comments are strictly my opinions and observations. Others may and will likely have their own views, perhaps quite different than mine.
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I took delivery of a new ThunderChild in the late spring, followed up by a pair of new Acme FullRange 8-ohm cabs during the summer. While I haven't played either very extensively yet, and while I have not subjected them to an A/B comparison, I simply can't imagine giving up any of them. And I live in a Manhattan apartment, where space is at a premium! :eek:

To have this kind of quality finally at my fingertips? I'll make room for them, believe me. I've searched and waited for a long time for bass cabs this hi-fi, deep and pure. These babies aren't going anywhere! :bassist:

MM
 
#156
I've got about 5 hours on this cab so far and it continues to improve. Playing with the eq I am finding the cab is very neutral. The tone I am getting is nearly identical to the tone I get recording from the Streamliners DI post EQ. Really it is exactly what I wanted. Would a bit more overall output make me happier? Absolutely, but you know the old saying "light, loud, or low, pick two." I agree with the observation that it sounds kind of like a PA with subs. I really can't see myself needing the tweeter on the full range, the flatwound sounds glorious to me. I am excited to see how much more the cab opens up over the next two weeks. There is a good chance I will order a matching cab at that time. My advice to anyone considering this cab would be if you love the tone thats going into this cab then you will love the tone that comes out. If you are looking for a cab to color your tone then this isn't it. I A B'd the cab with my S15ds a bit and the smoothness of the ACME is just sooo nice.
 
#158
MysticMichael said:
I took delivery of a new ThunderChild in the late spring, followed up by a pair of new Acme FullRange 8-ohm cabs during the summer. While I haven't played either very extensively yet, and while I have not subjected them to an A/B comparison, I simply can't imagine giving up any of them. And I live in a Manhattan apartment, where space is at a premium! :eek:

To have this kind of quality finally at my fingertips? I'll make room for them, believe me. I've searched and waited for a long time for bass cabs this hi-fi, deep and pure. These babies aren't going anywhere! :bassist:

MM
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Trust me, I wouldn't let go of my TC112 (if I do) if I was not getting a TC115 in the near future ;)
 

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