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Acoustic USA 360 / 361
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George, thanks for setting me straight. I apologize for the misinformation and stand corrected. Note to self, remember what dad told me, don't believe anything you read or hear (especially on the net) and only 1/2 of what you see.
I too really would like to check out a folded horn 15!
I too really would like to check out a folded horn 15!
From what I've gathered there is something like a scaled down 360 cab, the 360m I think, that's in that picture posted earlier with the Acoustics on stage. It's the cab on the right with the pre-amp on top, and I think it is a folded 15". Looks really, really cool.
Vetchking Here:
Uglyrumor..... With MR. Mark Jamieson my Head designer and myself........ You can be assured no MDF or partical board here........
We spend more on handles and wheels and heat sinks than anyone.
Our head sink in the new " Russ Allee" power amp is $65.00 a foot.
You can buy amps for what that costs us?
What's the quote?
Not on my shift............... LOL.
Later........... [email protected]
Price of the heat sinks doesn't mean squat.
Just sell some, ship them.
At least sell and ship some cabinets.
Prove it that you're a company that can produce something.
3 months later - we'll see the same thread.
Just sell some, ship them.
At least sell and ship some cabinets.
Prove it that you're a company that can produce something.
3 months later - we'll see the same thread.
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big deal. (not that i believe it anyway).
how about spending some 'time' on getting your product out instead of all of this BS'ing and phony hype? i mean, what's it been, 5 years to get one single model of an amp finished?
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Vetchking Here:
You two guys have got it it smoked.
I agree 100%.
Thank God....... someone has figured this all out.
Later ............. [email protected]
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I'm not 40. I'm not in LA. I didn't cut you anything. I didn't have 38,000 posts. I wrote, "If you want to be taken seriously, don't write like bad spam copy. As it stands, you're doing more harm than good." I think that's a fair assessment here as well.
For anyone interested, the thread still exists: Invalid Link Removed.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Our group build resulted in more fully functional amps than I had expected, which was a very pleasant surprise!
I have read, with great interest, the posts and the replies regarding George and his "Acoustic USA" amps. I was extremely hesitant to add "to the fire", if you will...and with the obvious danger of being called a "shill", I decided to go ahead and give it a shot. What the hell...you only live once.
I began speaking with George quite a while back (Hell, even I don't remember how long ago!) when I learned that he was attempting to bring a very beloved company from my youth back. I wanted to see for myself, if this was true or not.
George convinced me that, indeed, he was doing just that. After several long conversations with the man, he sent me several pages of the "ad copy", i.e., price lists, pics, brochures, etc etc for the new line. I also talked with several "acquaintences" who had personally tried out the gear. Additionally, I had planned on going to PA myself, but was constantly on the road at the time and, always seemed to be on the wrong coast.
During this time, George also offered me an endorsement deal and I accepted, gladly willing to endorse the model amp that, for the most part, defined my "classic rock" roots.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the amps have taken an eternity to come to fruition (there ARE models ready, but as I understand it UL keeps throwing the proverbial wrench into the works). So much in fact, that I was forced to move on to something that was actually ready....(Jobs to play, you know!)
So...the bottom line, at least for me, is that I have nothing but respect for both the Man, an his vision. I sincerely hope that he gets things worked out and brings these amps to market. Unfortunately, as in all things, time takes it's toll and after many months (hell, years), people begin to doubt and that's completely understandable. I still have grave concerns about the legal and propieatary relationship between GC and Acoustic USA. It's hard for a layman such as me to understand exactly how that is going to work, but that's me.
George, I wish you all the luck in the world! Hopefully one day....
I began speaking with George quite a while back (Hell, even I don't remember how long ago!) when I learned that he was attempting to bring a very beloved company from my youth back. I wanted to see for myself, if this was true or not.
George convinced me that, indeed, he was doing just that. After several long conversations with the man, he sent me several pages of the "ad copy", i.e., price lists, pics, brochures, etc etc for the new line. I also talked with several "acquaintences" who had personally tried out the gear. Additionally, I had planned on going to PA myself, but was constantly on the road at the time and, always seemed to be on the wrong coast.
During this time, George also offered me an endorsement deal and I accepted, gladly willing to endorse the model amp that, for the most part, defined my "classic rock" roots.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the amps have taken an eternity to come to fruition (there ARE models ready, but as I understand it UL keeps throwing the proverbial wrench into the works). So much in fact, that I was forced to move on to something that was actually ready....(Jobs to play, you know!)
So...the bottom line, at least for me, is that I have nothing but respect for both the Man, an his vision. I sincerely hope that he gets things worked out and brings these amps to market. Unfortunately, as in all things, time takes it's toll and after many months (hell, years), people begin to doubt and that's completely understandable. I still have grave concerns about the legal and propieatary relationship between GC and Acoustic USA. It's hard for a layman such as me to understand exactly how that is going to work, but that's me.
George, I wish you all the luck in the world! Hopefully one day....
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i have two very good friends in the boutique amplifier business. both of them make very high quality, hand wired tube amps in somewhat low numbers (and both amps are very well known). i worked with one of them at the company's inception, as a consultant on the first models being offered and their circuit design etc. while it can take a little time to get an UL approval, it really doesn't take that much time or money. so to me, this seems to be an excuse, and a dubious one at that.
I'm not sure I understand why some people romanticize so much about things of the past. I had a 370 and it was okay for its day. It wasn't anything spectacular and when compared to many of the products on the market today it is mediocre at best.
The vintage craze can sometimes cloud our judgment. I think time has a way of erasing some of the unpleasant realities that exist with certain products. There was a reason why the Acoustic line folded and why so many players abandoned that line of equipment. It wasn't any thing spectacular.
Some of these things are sort of cool to look at, but that's really about it. Things have progressed and improvements have been made. Will this alleged line of new Acoustic products mirror anything in the way of innovation and enhanced performance, coupled with improved reliability and all the things today's consumers demand?
All we have heard to date are blurbs and tales, nothing tangible.
I sure hope this person understands the market and what it expects, and is prepared to meet or exceed consumer's expectations in the areas of quality, reliability, performance, cost, delivery, and all the features that this century demands. This ain't the 70's.
This endeavor sounds more like someone's personal hobby than it does a viable business. I don't expect we'll see much in the near future, and if we do, I suspect it will be short lived. The market and warehouses are full of products, all of which are going to be heavily discounted as they continue to pile up on the showroom floor.
Hmmm well without any comment on the new line that has been discussed here I gotta say that having lived thru the 60-70's as a player and having played much of the stuff available at the time
1. There were NEVER any reliability issues with Acoustic products IME.
2. They are anything but mediocre at the time. In fact, I can't think of any bass amp of the time that even came close 'cept perhaps the SVT which I think came along just after the 360.
IMO Acoustic failed as a company for a variety of reasons but the 360 amd 370 were not among them.
My $.02. YMMV, etc.
Vetchking here:
Here's what I wrote at Harmony Central.
I'd write it anywhere. I'd sign it in blood. Tb will probably kill it.
This is not an ad.......... it is my personal knowledge about a product ...
The New 'acoustic' 360/361 made in USA is definately real.
We have been working for over 6 1/2 years bringing it back.
Does it take that long? Answer...... Yes. Hard to believe I know, but it does.
Just for clarity there are two 'acoustic' companies. Guitar Center Inc. owns the brand name. They design in the USA and manufacture on China. The G.P.G. Co designs and manufactures in the USA. Think of it as high end pro-gear. The Gibson custom shop kind of idea.
Between the two companies there are products from $150.00 to $5,000.00.
There's something for everyone.
The New 'acoustic' 360/361 has been designed using the knowledge and mentorship of Mr. Harvey Gerst and Mr. Russ Allee. Mr. Mark Jamieson is also a key factor in this picture.
The electronics in the New 'acoustic' have been designed by 'The Godfather Of Electric Bass Amplification' Mr. Russ Allee. (original designer)
If you don't know the name you should. Russ has been instrumental in the evolution of bass amplification for decades.
The New'acoustic' USA 360/361, Is NOT a Re-Issue, It is Not a Heritage piece. It is NOT, a Nostalgia amp.
It is a brand new State of The Art Modern electronic wonderment.
(added 4/19/2010........ I guess Wonderment set off many people..... LOL.... ) I liked it and thought it is a real fact.
It is a design that has taken in to account all the great things from the original. The original is often called the Holy Grail of Bass amps.
There are many rumors and miss conceptions about the original. Most are Bogus. Very few originals are left, and those that are out there are 40 years old and have had 40 yrs for people to screw them up. But, if you ever get to play one that is working to full capacity you will understand what all the hub hub is about.
Jaco and JPJ did not play the wrong amp. The list of 'acoustic'360/361 and 370/301 users is nothing less than staggering. 'acoustic' ruled the world.
Mr. Allee has worked on the new power amp design over the course of the last 30 yrs. Cool huh?
The New 360/361 has been played by over 40 bass guys. World class Killers, week end warriors, country guys ,Funk guys, Death Metal guys you name it. (Ps. One of my personal best friends is Ron Marks the X-lead guitarist of Celtric Frost and believe me, He knows heavy.) The damn things dangerous.
They we're all given the task of telling us what they liked and didn't like.
We had them play an original mint 360/361 and then the new one. (ps. We also did the SVT/810 test. LOL)
When it was all said and done the new 360 blew away the original and everything else set up beside it.. Everything!!!
The words that finally came out of all 40 plus players was.
That's Amazing............
Later... George.........
New 4/19/2010
(Ps. I'm not going to be sorry for what people say or tell me, I'm just passing on info. Some people want to know.) oh yeah, I do get excited every now and then. I guess Im a spam cheap ad.)
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psssssst. in all due respect, the 'godfather of bass amplification' hype is getting a bit old. i've long been aware of Mssr's Allee and Gerst's contributions, and revere them highly, but in some wierd way, when you mention them, it somehow 'cheapens' it.
well i don't care if he never gets it out...just having his talkbass posts is reward enough for me. sorry, but i never cease to be entertained by vetchking's posts. i'm probably entertained for the wrong reasons sometimes, but hey...
shameless self promotion? of course it is. but it's funny shameless self promotion
shameless self promotion? of course it is. but it's funny shameless self promotion
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