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AE212 Question

#4
feelinlow said:
I am very interested in picking up a AE212 cabinet. This cab got great reviews here but what puzzles me is just about everyone who raved about how great they were has sold theirs.

Can anyone elaborate as to why?
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People buy and sell stuff for all kinds of reasons, most of which would not be very relevant to a third party, so I would not worry about it. The AE212 was, and is, a killer cab. I agree with George that sonically, I prefer the HD212, but if the weight matters to you, the AE212 has nothing to apologize for.
 
#7
feelinlow said:
I am very interested in picking up a AE212 cabinet. This cab got great reviews here but what puzzles me is just about everyone who raved about how great they were has sold theirs.

Can anyone elaborate as to why?
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Go through YEARS of talkbass & its happened time & time again. Theres ALWAYS a current hype\craze that people think this piece of gear can get every tone you have ever imagined & its the perfect piece of gear... until the next big thing comes along

So Berg AE212 went the same way as Epifani, SWR, Eden, Trace Elliot & the Streamliner as of late...

The newest craze? Fearfuls... are all of the above great pieces of gear? Absolutely but the latest & greatest bug can get expensive to those who dont have the deep pockets to flip gear.

Gotta try for yourself & do some serious research to not get caught in Hoopla my man if you don't have deep pockets.

Berg AE212? Great cab but like ALL gear it cannot do all tones perfect for all people... and that will be the case for the next craze & the craze after that
 
#9
I Think this is an excellent cab. That being said, i am not a fan of neo cabs. Seems nobody on here wants to compare neo cabs to ceramic cabs without the usual I would rather carry the lighter cab. I have not played a neo cab that has the low end that it's ceramic counterpart has. I understand that tone has a lot to do with cab selection, but I use a lot of low end (not low mid) and I have not found a neo cab that is comparable to it's ceramic counterpart, although nobody compares the two. Seems like everyone is looking for mid range punch, not extended bottom and punch, which is fine if that is what your looking for. But for low end, neo's don't compare. After the long ramble, the Berg neo's are the best neo's I have played. But as others have said in this post, their ceramic counterparts are better.
 
#11
No disrespecct, but I have 16 year old bass students that have come to gigs I have played and have asked why I sounded different, not worse, just different. With few exceptions, custom cabs and drivers, very few that I have come across can compare.
 
#12
bass151 said:
I Think this is an excellent cab. That being said, i am not a fan of neo cabs. Seems nobody on here wants to compare neo cabs to ceramic cabs without the usual I would rather carry the lighter cab. I have not played a neo cab that has the low end that it's ceramic counterpart has. I understand that tone has a lot to do with cab selection, but I use a lot of low end (not low mid) and I have not found a neo cab that is comparable to it's ceramic counterpart, although nobody compares the two. Seems like everyone is looking for mid range punch, not extended bottom and punch, which is fine if that is what your looking for. But for low end, neo's don't compare. After the long ramble, the Berg neo's are the best neo's I have played. But as others have said in this post, their ceramic counterparts are better.
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I'd rather carry the lighter cab.
 
#14
I should mention I have two Epifani UL410 S1 cabs hat are neo and I would put them up against ANY ceramic 410 cab. I have had a Eden 410 XLT and a Aguilar DB410 and the Epifani to me sounds better and handles the low end just as well and in some respects better. And at 56lbs!

I am not looking to replace the UL410 but for a comparable with a smaller footprint for tight stage situations.
 
#15
bass151 said:
I Think this is an excellent cab. That being said, i am not a fan of neo cabs. Seems nobody on here wants to compare neo cabs to ceramic cabs without the usual I would rather carry the lighter cab. I have not played a neo cab that has the low end that it's ceramic counterpart has. I understand that tone has a lot to do with cab selection, but I use a lot of low end (not low mid) and I have not found a neo cab that is comparable to it's ceramic counterpart, although nobody compares the two. Seems like everyone is looking for mid range punch, not extended bottom and punch, which is fine if that is what your looking for. But for low end, neo's don't compare. After the long ramble, the Berg neo's are the best neo's I have played. But as others have said in this post, their ceramic counterparts are better.
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Lightweight neo-loaded bass cabs from most manufacturers almost always use smaller dimensions, partially for weight considerations, partially to compete in a market where many are doing the same thing. There's several obvious examples of neo cabs with generous low end, such as the fEARfuls and the Audiokinesis Thunderchild. They're just not the neo cabs you're going to see in stores.
 
#16
bass151 said:
Not the response I expected, and unless you are 60 years of age or more, I,m not buying it.
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I'll be 64 in July. I've sold my Heart-Rock/Quattro rig, my WT-800/D-410XLT rig, my AG500-112C/GS112NT rig, and my HT322. The only heavy gear I have left is my DB750/GS410 rig, and it's for sale in the ads right now. I have zero regrets. I'm just thrilled I got my AE cabs before they were discontinued.

Now I have six micro heads and all four Berg AE cabs. Say what you want but, if you hear me at a gig you'll hear plenty of clams but you'll love the tone of them. All this blather about micro heads and neo cabs is just that. Any possible difference in sound is completely obliterated by crowd noise.
 
#17
Derek Kiernan said:
Lightweight neo-loaded bass cabs from most manufacturers almost always use smaller dimensions, partially for weight considerations, partially to compete in a market where many are doing the same thing. There's several obvious examples of neo cabs with generous low end, such as the fEARfuls and the Audiokinesis Thunderchild. They're just not the neo cabs you're going to see in stores.
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The Bergantino AE212 (neo) and HD212 (ceramic) have identical dimensions. Ditto the corresponding 210s and 410s.
 
#18
feelinlow said:
I am very interested in picking up a AE212 cabinet. This cab got great reviews here but what puzzles me is just about everyone who raved about how great they were has sold theirs.

Can anyone elaborate as to why?
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Don't know where you got that info. It is still my primary gigging cab. Relatively even response, amazing max volume capability, wonderfully full low end, and a simply beautiful sounding crossover/top end. The size/weight/volume output/low end ratios are about the best in the business, and the 4ohm impedance and relatively high efficiency results in the cab screaming with about 500 watts applied!

However, it has its own voiced like every other cab, and the open low end and smooth top end would not be for everyone. It can sound a touch flubby with a head that has too wide of a low end and a lack of mid complexity.
 
#19
bass151 said:
I Think this is an excellent cab. That being said, i am not a fan of neo cabs. Seems nobody on here wants to compare neo cabs to ceramic cabs without the usual I would rather carry the lighter cab. I have not played a neo cab that has the low end that it's ceramic counterpart has. I understand that tone has a lot to do with cab selection, but I use a lot of low end (not low mid) and I have not found a neo cab that is comparable to it's ceramic counterpart, although nobody compares the two. Seems like everyone is looking for mid range punch, not extended bottom and punch, which is fine if that is what your looking for. But for low end, neo's don't compare. After the long ramble, the Berg neo's are the best neo's I have played. But as others have said in this post, their ceramic counterparts are better.
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Having owned many of Jim's ceramic loaded cabs, I couldn't disagree more with this post.
 
#20
I owned the AE212 and only sold it so I could pick up 2 AE112 cabs. I like being able to grab one and use it on smaller gigs, or 2 for bigger gigs. I have an AE210 on the way for medium gigs as well.

The AE212 does sound slightly different than the 2 AE112 cabs, but not very different.

This line of cabinets has completely killed my cab GAS, and I was a bit of a cab whore before I settled on them.
 

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