AE212 Question

[KJung]

I owned the AE212 and only sold it so I could pick up 2 AE112 cabs. I like being able to grab one and use it on smaller gigs, or 2 for bigger gigs. I have an AE210 on the way for medium gigs as well.

The AE212 does sound slightly different than the 2 AE112 cabs, but not very different.

This line of cabinets has completely killed my cab GAS, and I was a bit of a cab whore before I settled on them.

The very last production run of the AE112's used the 'revised crossover design/voicing' that was also changed in the final runs of the AE210, and from what I understand, results in two AE112's sounding a bit more like the AE212, although still a bit less low end extension.

The final version (vertical) of the AE210 sounds more like the AE212 (at least up top, not nearly as big down low) than like 'half an AE410'.

I too find the AE212 and the final voicing version of the AE210 to cover most of my needs, and have sold, or am selling, virtually every other cab I've owned (even my beloved AE410, that hasn't been out of the house in a year).

 

[5StringPocket]

As stoked as you've been on that Berg AE410 I didn't think I'd ever hear about that one going up for sale. I guess when you find the couple that just get the job done for you all the others seem to gather dust.

 

[jerry]

I still love mine, it's not going anywhere.

 

[gregbackstrom]

I am very interested in picking up a AE212 cabinet. This cab got great reviews here but what puzzles me is just about everyone who raved about how great they were has sold theirs.

Can anyone elaborate as to why?

Nope -- I still have the first two AE212's that Bass NW sold "from stock." I love them (and my AE410) so much that I had Studio-Slips make special double-padded clamshell-style zippered bags to transport them in. Hopefully, they'll last as long as I do (which I hope is a lot longer ...).

Regarding the tired, old ideas about Neo's not sounding as "full, punchy, thick" etc., make sure you're using your own ears! I've owned lots and lots of big and small cabinets over the 40+ years I've been playing. I've yet to hear a "Neo" voicing or a "Ceramic" voicing -- just the cabinet designer's voicing, which may differ quite a bit from design-to-design. I will say that my most-powerful, lowest, most a$$-kicking cabinets are both Neo's (fEARful's). But that's not always the tone I'm after, so my Bergs get lots of playing time.

Good luck finding one of these!
Greg

 

[feelinlow]

I have my eye on on that I will most likely pick up today. Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

 

[KJung]

As stoked as you've been on that Berg AE410 I didn't think I'd ever hear about that one going up for sale. I guess when you find the couple that just get the job done for you all the others seem to gather dust.

+1 My AE410 has a ton of gigs on it and still sounds good. When the AE212 came out, it was just as loud, more even, more true low end, and smaller..... and..... there you go!

Replaced a very good cab with a great one. I actually still have the AE410, but literally made the decision today to sell it. It will be put on consigment next week when I'm in St. Louis for some gigs.

 

[jebmd]

I loved my AE212 for all of the reasons stated. I just happen to like the AE410 a little more. It's only 7 lbs more then the 212. Just a matter of preference, you can't go wrong with either cab IMHO.

 

[KJung]

I loved my AE212 for all of the reasons stated. I just happen to like the AE410 a little more. It's only 7 lbs more then the 212. Just a matter of preference, you can't go wrong with either cab IMHO.

+1 Two great cabs. For all the years I was gigging the 70's J primarily, that AE410 was simply killer in every way, and it sounds darn good with the P and the Streamliner.

But, that P Bass just LOVES that AE212 with my little F500, and the tone is just that 'turn it out and it's there' tone in my head.

 

[Munjibunga]

I still have mine, and it ain't going nowhere.

I still love mine, it's not going anywhere.

Oh, that's subtle, but you can't hide being a grammar nazi (intentionally not capitalized).

 

[jerry]

Oh, that's subtle, but you can't hide being a grammar nazi (intentionally not capitalized).

Sorry Munji, purely unintentional copying of your endorsement. I'm far too dumb to be a grammar nazi.

 

[BartmanPDX]

For two years, the AE410 was my primary gigging cab. Never thought I'd change that, but when Jim announced the end of the AE line, I went ahead and bought an AE212. Since then I've used the AE212 for almost all my gigs since. I don't think there's a better all-around gigging cab around with better tone/size/weight. The 410 is wonderfully aggressive but the 212 just works for everything. I'll never sell mine and I'd love to have another.

The 210 is a recent acquisition, for practices. I tried it on a small bar gig and found myself missing the 212 whump.

 

[jebmd]

Very nice assortment indeed.

 

[feelinlow]

Well guys I pulled the trigger on a used one here locally and used it at rehearsal last night. I love it. I can now actually hear the note character in my low B. Thanks for you help. Great cab.

 

[UpwardGroove]

The very last production run of the AE112's used the 'revised crossover design/voicing' that was also changed in the final runs of the AE210, and from what I understand, results in two AE112's sounding a bit more like the AE212, although still a bit less low end extension.

The final version (vertical) of the AE210 sounds more like the AE212 (at least up top, not nearly as big down low) than like 'half an AE410'.

I too find the AE212 and the final voicing version of the AE210 to cover most of my needs, and have sold, or am selling, virtually every other cab I've owned (even my beloved AE410, that hasn't been out of the house in a year).

KJung (& others with experience),

I know you've posted extensively about the AE line and amp pairings. I have the AE210 vertical paired with the Streamliner. This pairing works great for me with both my Jazz and P basses. I'm considering an AE212 as a single cab alternative for higher volume applications. Love the form factor of both these cabs. If I like the AE210 vertical with this amp, should I expect to like the AE212? I know this pairing has been referred to as "too much of a good thing". I'm hesitant to make my next cab purchase bases solely on pairing with the STM. Wish I could hear it for myself, but that's not an option.

 

[KJung]

KJung (& others with experience),

I know you've posted extensively about the AE line and amp pairings. I have the AE210 vertical paired with the Streamliner. This pairing works great for me with both my Jazz and P basses. I'm considering an AE212 as a single cab alternative for higher volume applications. Love the form factor of both these cabs. If I like the AE210 vertical with this amp, should I expect to like the AE212? I know this pairing has been referred to as "too much of a good thing". I'm hesitant to make my next cab purchase bases solely on pairing with the STM. Wish I could hear it for myself, but that's not an option.

I very much like the Streamliner with the AE210 that you have. However, the AE212 has a MUCH deeper low end, and is more polite in the upper mids. I couldn't really get the Streamliner to work for me very well with that particular cab... too boomy, not enough punch. The Streamliner sounds GREAT with the AE410, which is punchier and grindier than your version of the AE210.

IMO! I LOVE the AE212, just not with the Streamliner.

 

[feelinlow]

I picked up the used AE212 I had my eye on. I used it at rehearsal this week end and received compliments from everyone in the band about how great it sounds. I will still keep my UL410 S1 cabs but the AE212 is definitely a keeper.

 

[rodl2005]

I very much like the Streamliner with the AE210 that you have. However, the AE212 has a MUCH deeper low end, and is more polite in the upper mids. I couldn't really get the Streamliner to work for me very well with that particular cab... too boomy, not enough punch. The Streamliner sounds GREAT with the AE410, which is punchier and grindier than your version of the AE210.

IMO! I LOVE the AE212, just not with the Streamliner.

My experience also. I couldn't quite get to grips with the STL & AE410 either tho, but 100% agree that it's far better than the AE212 pairing.
Great amp, just a li'l too picky with cabs for me to keep.
Shuttle works great for me & sounds wonderful thru the AE212.

 

[Saluki]

I very much like the Streamliner with the AE210 that you have. However, the AE212 has a MUCH deeper low end, and is more polite in the upper mids. I couldn't really get the Streamliner to work for me very well with that particular cab... too boomy, not enough punch. The Streamliner sounds GREAT with the AE410, which is punchier and grindier than your version of the AE210.

IMO! I LOVE the AE212, just not with the Streamliner.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. I struggled with the AE212 in the mix with the STM900, M6 and GK MB200, which all have a lot of inherent low end. I could have eq'd some things to make it work, but at the time I still had my AE410 and I opted to move the AE212 for an AE112 stack which plays better with all of those amps. The AE112 series B stack is a little closer to the AE212, but still way better in the mix with those said amps. Disclaimer- I was playing in some busy mixes mostly with PA support. If I was playing in a three piece or something with no PA that needed a little low end and I could bee heard easily those combos may have been great. Anyway FWIW.

 

[esoxhntr]

I very much like the Streamliner with the AE210 that you have. However, the AE212 has a MUCH deeper low end, and is more polite in the upper mids. I couldn't really get the Streamliner to work for me very well with that particular cab... too boomy, not enough punch. The Streamliner sounds GREAT with the AE410, which is punchier and grindier than your version of the AE210.

IMO! I LOVE the AE212, just not with the Streamliner.

Throw me on this bandwagon too - the STL900 and AE212 are both excellent, but not with each other. For me, the STL works best with 10" or 15" cabs, and the AE212 needs something punchier, say the shuttle 9, or in my case a GBE400.

 

[Jerry Ziarko]

Different strokes I guess. I love the pairing of both the GK Fusion and the MB500 with the AE212.