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Again, Fender being overrated BS

songwriter21

I have an obsession for wood. The musical kind.
Jul 31, 2005
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Hey All,

First off, obviously there are many who have had good luck with this brand, and like them a lot or love them and won't play anything else. That's awesome, since the perfect bass is what we search for, and yet it's different to us all. I'd be the same way as those Fender fans, if I didn't think they suck complete ass.

I thought my faith was somewhat restored in this brand. I was pretty close to buying an American Jazz V Deluxe until I closely looked at the construction of one at one store, two more at another store, and then another at another store. Every single one had nice neck joint gaps, some on both sides, with uneven neck relief on the bass and treble sides. Also, a number of them had HORRIBLE hum. For a $1799 made-in-USA price tag (new), this is totally unacceptable. Look on Musician's Friend...last time I looked, there were 8 returned and being sold used. What is worse, was a Roscoe Beck V (used) that I tried over the weekend. I was really excited to finally find one, too, as rare as they are...for a minute, I thought, JACKPOT. Man, was I wrong. The gap on the bass side (there was one on the treble side, too) was so pronounced that you could've slipped almost two credit cards in there. Better to use those to hold the joint tighter than use them to buy the damn thing, imo. Btw, it's at the Sam Ash in Columbus, OH, if you care. If you're REALLY love-crazy for this overblown brand, then go for it...good luck getting a decent one.

I then tried two Ibanez BTB 5's at the same Sam Ash, that completely blew the above basses away, and they're made in Indonesia, too. I like that "grand piano, articulate new-string" sound, also, and even the output on the 18-volt Jazz was less than the Ibby's, and the Ibby's are the standard 9 volts...almost on-par with my old Prestige. They're also only $900-$1000, whereas both of the above Fenders were well over that.

I swear, even with Music Man, yes Music Man, these big companies seem to get lazy like nothing else, simply from people gawking unwisely at them because of their overly exaggerated, name-dropping reputation. I don't get it, and haven't gotten it for the last 10-15 years. I've played and owned the gamut (sp?) of basses, also having been to Winter NAMM '09, and know that MANY basses blow Fender out of the water, including Ibanez. Get your freakin' act together, big boys...you're the McDonald's of the bass world.
 
I will have to disagree with you on Ibanez. Every BTB I have played has had such poor fret finish that I thought I was going to slice my fingers open. Fender is no different than any manufacturer in any industry. They have good production runs and bad ones. I have seen some bad instruments from Fender but have also seen some great one. Same with Music Man, Spector, Alembic and many other brands.
 
I have owned several basses and I have never have have a quality problem, well, I had an issue with a Lakland that was immediatly fixed by them. The only things that I have found in some basses but I would not consider them quality problems: Set up not to my liking, dead strings, fret sprout, heavy weight. However many of these basses did not spoke to me but that was me and had nothing to do with the company that made them. Lakland, Sadowsky, Yamaha, Ibanez, Music Man, Valenti, Dingwall, Fender etc. All of them make nice instruments... And yeah, neither matter where the basses were made: Mexico, China, USA, Korea...
 
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Hey All,

First off, obviously there are many who have had good luck with this brand, and like them a lot or love them and won't play anything else. That's awesome, since the perfect bass is what we search for, and yet it's different to us all. I'd be the same way as those Fender fans, if I didn't think they suck complete ass.

I thought my faith was somewhat restored in this brand. I was pretty close to buying an American Jazz V Deluxe until I closely looked at the construction of one at one store, two more at another store, and then another at another store. Every single one had nice neck joint gaps, some on both sides, with uneven neck relief on the bass and treble sides. Also, a number of them had HORRIBLE hum. For a $1799 made-in-USA price tag (new), this is totally unacceptable. Look on Musician's Friend...last time I looked, there were 8 returned and being sold used. What is worse, was a Roscoe Beck V (used) that I tried over the weekend. I was really excited to finally find one, too, as rare as they are...for a minute, I thought, JACKPOT. Man, was I wrong. The gap on the bass side (there was one on the treble side, too) was so pronounced that you could've slipped almost two credit cards in there. Better to use those to hold the joint tighter than use them to buy the damn thing, imo. Btw, it's at the Sam Ash in Columbus, OH, if you care. If you're REALLY love-crazy for this overblown brand, then go for it...good luck getting a decent one.

I then tried two Ibanez BTB 5's at the same Sam Ash, that completely blew the above basses away, and they're made in Indonesia, too. I like that "grand piano, articulate new-string" sound, also, and even the output on the 18-volt Jazz was less than the Ibby's, and the Ibby's are the standard 9 volts...almost on-par with my old Prestige. They're also only $900-$1000, whereas both of the above Fenders were well over that.

I swear, even with Music Man, yes Music Man, these big companies seem to get lazy like nothing else, simply from people gawking unwisely at them because of their overly exaggerated, name-dropping reputation. I don't get it, and haven't gotten it for the last 10-15 years. I've played and owned the gamut (sp?) of basses, also having been to Winter NAMM '09, and know that MANY basses blow Fender out of the water, including Ibanez. Get your freakin' act together, big boys...you're the McDonald's of the bass world.

You're talking about modern fenders like this wasn't an issue on old fender guitar's and basses, I played a 69 P a few weeks ago that you could park a semi in the gap on the neck pocket, it still played great and sounded like an old fender P.
 
Some are good, some suck. If I go pick up any fender or squier bass at my local shop there will be squirts that play better than some fenders and fenders that play better than some of the boutique models. Just cross your fingers that you can find a good one in a shop in the colour you want.
 
I've labeled the brand as crap from what I've tried. I've really tried to like them, yet time and time again have been disappointed. Hopefully I'll find a good one in time. There's that old saying about needing a Fender in your arsenal. The Jazz 24 was about the only one that has really impressed me, as I owned 2, but moved to 5's after.
 
I've labeled the brand as crap from what I've tried. I've really tried to like them, yet time and time again have been disappointed. Hopefully I'll find a good one in time. There's that old saying about needing a Fender in your arsenal. The Jazz 24 was about the only one that has really impressed me, as I owned 2, but moved to 5's after.

You've tried and still failed? Shame.
 
I have yet to find a Fender 5'r that I like aside from the Japan Marcus Millers. It's just plain hard to make a great 5 string neck. As for Fender 4 strings, Me Love dem. I switch between my Ric and Fender P-Bass for gigs. Either one is perfect for our entire Show.
 
Hey All,
I've played and owned the gamut (sp?) of basses, also having been to Winter NAMM '09, and know that MANY basses blow Fender out of the water, including Ibanez. Get your freakin' act together, big boys...you're the McDonald's of the bass world.

Well I own a Fender MIM deluxe V (got it used up the road at GC for $300) and once I changed pickups it's been pretty decent. When I was interested in a Fender (sometimes a Fender-shaped headstock is important) I hit every music store within road-trip distance. I looked at all Squiers, MIM and MIA Jazz V basses. Let me tell you there is some REALLY nasty stuff out there even in the USA basses. And there were some really excellent instruments too. Eventually it came down to a USA and the MIM. Both were excellent but the price decided the MIM. So you can whine that I shouldn't have had to put new pickups on it. And you may be right, but there wasn't one out there at that price with good pickups.

So I have it and use it and it's fine. It's a Fender and they DO have something special in the tone. But I'm not really hot over it because I don't like the neck profile and I'm not currently so much into old school. But yeah, i've probably played the same basses you played at Sam Ash and for the cash they really weren't quite there. I didn't buy them either.

I own two Ibanez soundgears and LOVE them. Love the feel, love the look, love the tone, love it all! I've tried the BTB's and they are really fancy well-built basses but somehow I just can't get into them.

So what did I get at Sam Ash? Well one day I wander in there with nothing on my mind and see an ESP LTD B206SM. Whoa! Spalted maple top! Ash body (my favorite). and the BEST feeling factory neck I ever played! And only $400. Can't recommend it enough.

But that's the deal with basses. Everybody gets to decide what THEY like! If it's Fender, great. If it's something else, that's OK too. So what are my main axes now? Easy. It's my USA G&L L2500s in fretted and fretless with a Tribute bar bass thrown in.

You pays your money and you takes your choice.