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Albums Are Dead - Ola Englund's Thoughts

My parents had “real” record albums. At the time a complete musical work would require several discs to fully record it, so the discs were bundled into an, “album”, like a photo album. Thus, the term, “record album”. The discs were quite brittle and would shatter into a billion little pieces at what seemed like the slightest blow. After I broke several of them trying to play them, my dad told me I wasn’t allowed to touch the records anymore. So I had to ask my mom to play records for me. She broke almost as many as I did. A complete PITA.

Not sure I buy the idea that in their hay day, the modern (33 1/3 RPM) LP’s we are all so familiar with were a deep expression of the artists musical development, artistic thought, etc. Maybe in the more esoteric genres they were, but in Rock and Roll, etc., not so much I don’t think. What usually happened was the record company would release a few “hit singles” on an album. There were almost always several tunes, though, that the recording artists under contract were required to include. Record producers and others associated with the label would write this material and cash in on the royalties when fans purchased the albums for the tunes they really wanted. That was a major reason why the album format prospered so mightily. It was a way to cash in on a bands popularity. All the labels did it, when they could get away with it.

The story behind Chubby Checker’s, “The Twist”, is an interesting example of how this could back fire on a label. “Rumors”, by Fleetwood Mac would be a stellar example of what can happen when master musician / singer / song writers have complete artistic control over their releases.

I’m not sure it matters too much if people don’t buy as many “albums” as they used to as long as they purchase music, which seems to be the problem right now. The Music Modernization Act recently passed in the House of Representatives reportedly makes changes in how royalties are structured and paid to bring the process up to date for the digital age. We’ll see.
 
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Naw man, usually its crusty old hippies with big record collections and too much time on their hands.
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Not sure I buy the idea that in their hay day, the modern (33 1/3 RPM) LP’s we are all so familiar with were a deep expression of the artists musical development, artistic thought, etc. Maybe in the more esoteric genres they were, but in Rock and Roll, etc., not so much I don’t think. What usually happened was the record company would release a few “hit singles” on an album. There were almost always several tunes, though, that the recording artists under contract were required to include. Record producers and others associated with the label would write this material and cash in on the royalties when fans purchased the albums for the tunes they really wanted. That was a major reason why the album format prospered so mightily. It was a way to cash in on a bands popularity. All the labels did it, when they could get away with it.
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There was also a time when bands released an album and the "hits" were released as singles. The Beatles were big on this (early on).
Brian Wilson did not want "Good Vibrations" included as an album cut. He figured many already had it (as a 45rpm) & why should they pay for it a 2nd time?
FME, many of us bought LPs because we wanted the non-hits. AOR radio (back then, I recall this as Progressive music) was just in its early daze.
 
I can't agree. They are a lot hipper to marketing than my generation.
I guess that explains the Kardashians - people famous for nothing more than the ability to market themselves and every mundane thing they do.
I’ve said for some time that television validates bad behaviour and now that is also true of the internet. High saturation availability and repeat gives gullible people the impression of merit.
 
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I guess that explains the Kardashians - people famous for nothing more than the ability to market themselves and every mundane thing they do.
I’ve said for some time that television validates bad behaviour and now that is also true of the internet. High saturation availability and repeat gives gullible people the impression of merit.
Still cannot agree. It is the audience that is hip to the marketing--irony pervades. They don't have to find merit in something just because it sells like we are driven to do. They don't have to defend themselves against advertising like previous generations, because the message cannot reach them unfiltered.

And the example is a poor one, if you do not mind my saying so. The Kardashians are just the latest in a long line of people famous for wanting so badly to be famous, which goes back forevr.
 
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Kylie Jenner, 21, sibling of the Kardashian/Jenner clan, who's on the cover of Forbes' August 2018 "America's Women Billionaires" issue, is worth roughly $900 million, according to the magazine.Jul 11, 2018

Hmm…$900M = almost $43M for each year she’s been alive.

Just out of curiosity, what has she specifically done to acquire such a high personal net worth? Net worth is often more a measure of social status than it is achievement.

The wealthiest individual I personally know will cheefully admit his single greatest achievement was to be born to well off parents who were part of a larger and exceptionally well off family. One for which wealth has become a hardy perennial.

Accumulated capital begins to add up after several generations.
 
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Still cannot agree. It is the audience that is hip to the marketing--irony pervades. They don't have to find merit in something just because it sells like we are driven to do. They don't have to defend themselves against advertising like previous generations, because the message cannot reach them unfiltered.

And the example is a poor one, if you do not mind my saying so. The Kardashians are just the latest in a long line of people famous for wanting so badly to be famous, which goes back forevr.
The Kardashians can want to be famous all they like but unless the gullible public buy it, it’s not going to happen. Their identity sells. How will it sell unless a lot of people see merit in it in some way? Marketing at work. Where’s the filter?
 
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Not sure what your saying here. Yes she’s popular and wealthy. All this means is that she’s good at marketing. Do you think that me saying that tv validates bad behaviour will make it stop? No of course it won’t - but it doesn’t mean it’s not true.
 
The Kardashians can want to be famous all they like but unless the gullible public buy it, it’s not going to happen. Their identity sells. How will a substantial number of people buy their promotion unless they see merit in it in some way? Marketing at work. Where’s the filter?

I think we are missing each other. My point is that there is no gullibility involved. Young people are not looking for value in the Kardashians. The assumption that they are somehow being duped into thinking there is value is the mistake I am trying to point out. The conclusion that the young people are being brainwashed by "repetition" is also, therefore, a mistake, in my opinin.
 
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I think we are missing each other. My point is that there is no gullibility involved. Young people are not looking for value in the Kardashians. The assumption that they are somehow being duped into thinking there is value is the mistake I am trying to point out. The conclusion that the young people are being brainwashed by "repetition" is also, therefore, a mistake, in my opinin.
Ok I can see that but I still need to understand why so many people buy into an idea that they don’t think has value. To me that suggests gullibility of some sort. What is the appeal? It has to be valued by definition for it to be consumed.
 
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They offer greater convenience than vinyl. I store my CDs on a server at high bit rates (shown in double blind tests to be indistinguishable from CD) so get good quality and and convenience.
This is pretty much the way I listen too. I keep all my stuff on a hard drive (backed up of course). I’ve digitised a lot of my vinyl at a high bit rate and they all go into my iTunes folders. The thing is, I still listen to whole albums from there ‘cos that’s what is most satisying.
 
This is pretty much the way I listen too. I keep all my stuff on a hard drive (backed up of course). I’ve digitised a lot of my vinyl at a high bit rate and they all go into my iTunes folders. The thing is, I still listen to whole albums from there ‘cos that’s what is most satisying.

I have been lacking then discipline lately, but should find a way of more easily enforcing it. Maybe I should combine all the individual tracks into an album, back up the individual tracks onto a hard drive, put that in a drawer, and delete the individual tracks of the server!