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All Things Must Beat. Share Anything Beatles!!
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You must mean this thread, ... ... A question for those old enough to remember when "Eleanor Rigby" came out
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Hey everyone. Let me ask you a question.
The setup.
I was born in 1961. My mom was the 2nd oldest of 14 kids. I had aunts and uncles that were not much older than me and only 3 to 10 years older. I was ALWAYS in love with music. From my earliest memories. It was an escape from the mayhem around me. We would go to my grandmas house on Sundays. My older brothers would go outside and play. I went straight to my grandmas awesome stereo console! I was always kind of a loner as a young kid. While my brothers were outside and my mom was in the kitchen with the other adults I was in heaven at that console with all those super cool records. At that console in the mid to late 60s in to the early 70s we’re my young aunts and uncles newest records! All the newest Beatles and Zeppelin albums! I fell in love with those sounds that didn’t sound anything like what was on the pop AM radio in the car!
As a teenager in the 70s there were only 3 or 4 supergroups. Now it seems every band is a “supergroup”. But in the 70s it was The Beatles, The Stones, Zeppelin, The Who and some people might say Pink Floyd to. And there were people who took sides. I liked them all but had a soft spot for those Beatles and Zeppelin records of my early childhood.
So I literally have been in love with the Beatles my whole life.
My question:
Does it seem to all the of you that as we’ve aged The Beatles have grown in stature and the others not as much? I mean I know people who disregarded The Beatles and were all in on The Stones etc back in the day who are huge Beatles fans now. It’s like the Beatles have aged really well and better than all those other bands from the 60s and 70s. Like a renewed respect for their place in rock history and even music history period. Like there’s a new found respect. I know they have always been THE band. But it seems to me even more so now. Does it seem that way to you?
The setup.
I was born in 1961. My mom was the 2nd oldest of 14 kids. I had aunts and uncles that were not much older than me and only 3 to 10 years older. I was ALWAYS in love with music. From my earliest memories. It was an escape from the mayhem around me. We would go to my grandmas house on Sundays. My older brothers would go outside and play. I went straight to my grandmas awesome stereo console! I was always kind of a loner as a young kid. While my brothers were outside and my mom was in the kitchen with the other adults I was in heaven at that console with all those super cool records. At that console in the mid to late 60s in to the early 70s we’re my young aunts and uncles newest records! All the newest Beatles and Zeppelin albums! I fell in love with those sounds that didn’t sound anything like what was on the pop AM radio in the car!
As a teenager in the 70s there were only 3 or 4 supergroups. Now it seems every band is a “supergroup”. But in the 70s it was The Beatles, The Stones, Zeppelin, The Who and some people might say Pink Floyd to. And there were people who took sides. I liked them all but had a soft spot for those Beatles and Zeppelin records of my early childhood.
So I literally have been in love with the Beatles my whole life.
My question:
Does it seem to all the of you that as we’ve aged The Beatles have grown in stature and the others not as much? I mean I know people who disregarded The Beatles and were all in on The Stones etc back in the day who are huge Beatles fans now. It’s like the Beatles have aged really well and better than all those other bands from the 60s and 70s. Like a renewed respect for their place in rock history and even music history period. Like there’s a new found respect. I know they have always been THE band. But it seems to me even more so now. Does it seem that way to you?
Actually, I think @Michedelic gave the definitive answer when he said in that thread:
To sum up, Paul made "Yesterday", with strings and guitar, a massive hit in '65. Then, much more shockingly, The Stones had a big hit with "As Tears Go By" with strings and 12-string guitar in '65. So, Paul doing "Eleanor Rigby" with only strings in '66 was not so surprising at all.
Personally, in my early teens at that time, the previous years of my mom's Montovani, Nat King Cole, Floyd Cramer and Ray Charles records had me actually enjoying orchestral music. But I was more rebelling against the "corny, old country music" that my dad and uncles were watching on TV! I just rolled my eyes at Ringo's "Act Naturally" and "Honey Don't".
Of course, now in my "golden years", I have a much better appreciation for classic country and even bluegrass. I may have been somewhat influenced after learning, much later, that The Beatles themselves had been big fans of American country music. 
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Yes!!!
How did you make that title come out in those neat little, blue, underlined letters? And that is an actual link??
G doggie always has the neatest little tricks
Psst! Don't tell no bodies, but I click on the address in my browser and copy it. Then I paste it into my post and it automagically becomes a link, with the neat little, blue, underlined letters included for free.
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Yes, I agree that the Beatles are growing in stature. In my eyes, they are the toppermost! Yesterday, I watched a concert of theirs from their first American tour in Washington D.C. on YouTube and I was awestruck and amazed by it. This 60 year old concert made me feel the wonder of music all over again like I was a little kid. And I mean Ringo was killing it on the drums, playing with such flair and a ferociousness that’s rarely seen in players today. I was blown away by their show!
I have noticed however, especially on Facebook, when a question is asked about favorite songs or bands, that there is a growing amount of people throwing shade on the Beatles. Almost like it is a trendy opinion to have that the group is overrated or not as good as advertised. I have to admit it aggravates me. Many people don’t understand the context of Rock and Roll and how and when The Beatles entered into that time period and shaped the Rock genre fundamentally and were leaders of this brand new music culture and industry. They took a singles oriented music business and transformed it into masterpieces on albums. It frustrates me that a growing number of people don’t understand or realize the profound significance and influence The Beatles had and continue to have on modern music.
Well, lol, you know, I’m from Kentucky so I’m a little slow…
But clicking on the address in the browser seems like a darn, good idea
The Beatles- Washington D.C. 1964 Full Concert
That Washington, D.C. concert is incredible.
I think opinions about the Beatles have fluctuated depending on whatever musical style is current. Once the *sound* of "heavy" bands like Black Sabbath and Zeppelin appeared, the Beatles sounded light and polite to some people. Disco made anything without a four-to-the-bar kick drum and lyrics about dancing sound inert and too introspective to some people. The hair metal era made anything without acrobatic shredding and "let's party" lyrics sound boring and too intellectual to some people.
As the years go by, the context of the '60s -- Vietnam, the Civil Rights Movement, the counterculture, mind-expanding drugs, the constant fear of nuclear war, etc. -- fades into the history books, so that to kids, Hendrix's "Star Spangled Banner" sounds like noise (he obviously didn't watch enough YouTube guitar lessons) instead of the musical equivalent of Picasso's "Guernica." The significance and irony of the Rolling Stones making their career on black American music is lost. And the Beatles' 1966-67 psychedelia might make kids think, "Huh?" Also, shorter and shorter attention spans don't help. You can't really base your opinion of "A Day in the Life" on its first 15 seconds.
I think the Beatles' *melodies* are what will carry them into the future. The music of Bach sounded beautiful when Wendy Carlos played it on a synthesizer. Similarly, when all pop music is created by AI
, the programmers will be feeding Beatle melodies into the machines.
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Believe it or not, I finally watched part one of Peter Jackson's "Get Back" for the first time last night.
It's just as fascinating as everyone has said! It's amazing to actually watch the legendary stuff unfold. I'm talking about Paul taking the reins, John's boredom and procrastination, George's resentment...
Ringo sits quietly and listens, and when it's time he joins in with the musical glue which is always perfect. He was the catalyst.
Spoiler alert!!
At the end of part one, after George quits and the others express their hurt and rage musically (with Yoko contributing some very nice screaming), John, Paul and Ringo quietly gather for a group hug. That absolutely *crushed* me.
It's just as fascinating as everyone has said! It's amazing to actually watch the legendary stuff unfold. I'm talking about Paul taking the reins, John's boredom and procrastination, George's resentment...
Ringo sits quietly and listens, and when it's time he joins in with the musical glue which is always perfect. He was the catalyst.
Spoiler alert!!
At the end of part one, after George quits and the others express their hurt and rage musically (with Yoko contributing some very nice screaming), John, Paul and Ringo quietly gather for a group hug. That absolutely *crushed* me.
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That's my favorite video of any Beatles concert. Ringo absolutely kills it on I Wanna Be Your Man.
I was amazed that my wife enjoyed watching the whole thing. She really does not like watching people practice or jam, but that was maybe 90% of that whole film.
That's cool.
She might have been interested in their creative process, which was there in addition to the rehearsing.
Speaking of that, I was impressed by how direct they were with their input. In every band I've been in, everyone has been careful to say, "Can I make a suggestion?" Or, "I like that, but I have another idea. Can we try it?"
Not these guys! They would come right out and say to each other, "It should be THIS."
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Between 1962-1970 they wrote recorded and released 188 original songs. That’s mind boggling! Especially considering most of them were great songs! And their were also untold numbers of songs they wrote that were never released or recorded for an album.
List of songs recorded by the Beatles - Wikipedia
Prior to Love Me Do there is evidence they wrote bits and pieces or whole songs of at least another 50.
Early Beatles Songs
So by the time they were in those sessions it wouldn’t be surprising to me that they were able to cut to the chase pretty quickly. They had written or recorded probably 300 songs or more by then! Lol.
Just crazy prolific writing.
All of them were supremely confident accomplished proven songwriters by then too so no need to hold back.
No time to waste lol…
List of songs recorded by the Beatles - Wikipedia
Prior to Love Me Do there is evidence they wrote bits and pieces or whole songs of at least another 50.
Early Beatles Songs
So by the time they were in those sessions it wouldn’t be surprising to me that they were able to cut to the chase pretty quickly. They had written or recorded probably 300 songs or more by then! Lol.
Just crazy prolific writing.
All of them were supremely confident accomplished proven songwriters by then too so no need to hold back.
No time to waste lol…
Yeah man, on some of those songs, Ringo is hitting the drums and cymbals so hard that I thought they might fall over. Ringo is sensational and just crushes it!
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I've just discovered the announcement of a new upcoming documentary of Paul McCartney's career in the '70s, including the group Wings. It is currently entitled "Man on the Run", obviously from the hit song and album. There are several articles, mostly the same, about this.
I've chosen to include here the article from Rolling Stone, the publication that did the most to denigrate McCartney's post-Beatles work, because its co-founder was a big fan of John Lennon and believed that Paul broke up The Beatles, and thus deserved censure.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this! I believe that Paul's solo albums, 'McCartney' and 'Ram", were unjustly panned by the critics at the time. However, they seem to lately be receiving more appropriate praise in retrospect. The debut of the Wings band 'Wild Life' album, on the other hand, was definitely a disappointment, even to this McCartney fan. But, of course, I did thoroughly enjoy 'Red Rose Speedway'. Then came the undeniable success of 'Live and Let Die' and 'Band on the Run'. And the rest, as they say ... ... ...
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I've just discovered the announcement of a new upcoming documentary of Paul McCartney's career in the '70s, including the group Wings. It is currently entitled "Man on the Run", obviously from the hit song and album. There are several articles, mostly the same, about this.
I've chosen to include here the article from Rolling Stone, the publication that did the most to denigrate McCartney's post-Beatles work, because its co-founder was a big fan of John Lennon and believed that Paul broke up The Beatles, and thus deserved censure.
I'm really looking forward to seeing this! I believe that Paul's solo albums, 'McCartney' and 'Ram", were unjustly panned by the critics at the time. However, they seem to lately be receiving more appropriate praise in retrospect. The debut of the Wings band 'Wild Life' album, on the other hand, was definitely a disappointment, even to this McCartney fan. But, of course, I did thoroughly enjoy 'Red Rose Speedway'. Then came the undeniable success of 'Live and Let Die' and 'Band on the Run'. And the rest, as they say ... ... ...
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