Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

[Spectrum]

Thought this was kind of cool.

 

[monsterthompson]

Not the freshest video but this guy is pretty darn good.

 

[monsterthompson]

Got some more time under my belt with the Zen Delay. What a wild device. Next to the Terra it’s the most fun I’ve had exploring a new machine in a while. It’s definitely built for lots of knob turning and sound design/exploration. I’ve accidentally stumbled onto rhythms and patterns and al sorts of other textures just by trying to figure out how all the controls interact. It’s a heavy price for a delay and there probably better utility delays out there, but this thing is a wild ride.

 

[theunknowndude]

Get a used DD7 and a used RV5
Both are pretty cheap used.

I’ve used a DD7 for many years, easily one of my favourite delays ever along with the carbon copy
Yeah I’m a simple person
They’re simple, reliable and bullet proof for live use

Looked into this… could pretty much have both those joyo pedals for the price of one used dd7…
Either I’m looking in the wrong places or no one wants to sell for cheap anymore… dd7 and an rv5 are both going for around 180-200aud which is crazy
Funny thing is main thing I want is just a modulated delay setting out of a delay.
I regret selling my digitech hardwire delay… that thing was pretty good gah
(Carbon copy was decent but delay time far too short ) all those good old “wish I’d kept xyz” pedal times (and the annoyance of them being more expensive than 4-5 years ago)

 

[monsterthompson]

Lovely effect.

 

[steubig]

Looked into this… could pretty much have both those joyo pedals for the price of one used dd7…
Either I’m looking in the wrong places or no one wants to sell for cheap anymore… dd7 and an rv5 are both going for around 180-200aud which is crazy
Funny thing is main thing I want is just a modulated delay setting out of a delay.
I regret selling my digitech hardwire delay… that thing was pretty good gah
(Carbon copy was decent but delay time far too short ) all those good old “wish I’d kept xyz” pedal times (and the annoyance of them being more expensive than 4-5 years ago)

fwiw, not knowing anything about them, i looked the joyo stuff up (reddit). seems like people like the analog stuff better than the digital (easier to clone analog stuff). some comments were along the line of "you get what you pay for" . . .

ymmv

 

[monsterthompson]

Somehow stumbling down the Dub rabbit hole since getting the Zen Delay.

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

Somehow stumbling down the Dub rabbit hole since getting the Zen Delay.

Ok I feel like a Lee Scratch Perry / King Tubby binge this weekend

 

[Spectrum]

Somehow stumbling down the Dub rabbit hole since getting the Zen Delay.

A few years back I was pretty big into Bluetech. Time to listen to this whole album again this weekend maybe. Forgot how chill this is.



Also, Bluetech puts out more Berlin School style stuff under his name Evan Bartholemew.

 

[theunknowndude]

fwiw, not knowing anything about them, i looked the joyo stuff up (reddit). seems like people like the analog stuff better than the digital (easier to clone analog stuff). some comments were along the line of "you get what you pay for" . . .

ymmv

Yes true but for reverb, all are digital… unless you want to build some crazy contraption to get a plate or spring reverb haha

 

[steubig]

Yes true but for reverb, all are digital… unless you want to build some crazy contraption to get a plate or spring reverb haha

what i got from their comments was that the digital delay and reverb were not all that great, as joyo pedals are mostly clones and it’s harder to clone what’s going in in the digital circuits. i assume that means that they don’t sound as good. (maybe it’s because they use cheaper ada converters to keep the cost down.)

also, it seemed like the build quality is not as robust.

these are my impressions from a cursory search that led to reading a fair amount of commentary on a reddit thread.

imo, sometimes you can spend more money going through crappy pedals that don’t sound good and/or break than you would have just buying something like a boss for medium money (not even strymon, etc.).

fwiw, i have a friend who likes his moers stuff. he has a good ear, but doesn’t really haul it around much anymore, so i can’t attest to its build quality.

ymmv

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

what i got from their comments was that the digital delay and reverb were not all that great, as joyo pedals are mostly clones and it’s harder to clone what’s going in in the digital circuits. i assume that means that they don’t sound as good. (maybe it’s because they use cheaper ada converters to keep the cost down.)

also, it seemed like the build quality is not as robust.

these are my impressions from a cursory search that led to reading a fair amount of commentary on a reddit thread.

imo, sometimes you go can spend more money going through crappy pedals that don’t sound good and/or break than you would have just buying something like a boss for medium money (not even strymon, etc.).

fwiw, i have a friend who likes his moers stuff. he has a good ear, but doesn’t really haul it around much anymore, so i can’t attest to its build quality.

ymmv

Agreed
Bite the bullet and get a boss.

worth the extra $ over Chinese clones especially with delays and reverb

 

[monsterthompson]

fwiw, i have a friend who likes his moers stuff. he has a good ear, but doesn’t really haul it around much anymore, so i can’t attest to its build quality.

I have a hobby player friend who checks out the moers and joyo and similar low end stuff. He has a decent collection of them and has probably had more surprisingly positive comments than negative ones. His ears aren’t bad so I trust his judgment.

I think the quality control, consistency, and longevity of the cheaper pedals is the big concern. Cloning the sounds might be easier than most people think.

 

[monsterthompson]

Unrelated to anything except my recent practice routine…
TIL that when moving clockwise around the circle of fifths the sharp added to the key signature is to raise the 7th. I never thought I could just look at the last sharp of a key signature and go up to the next note to find the key name. How have I never learned this?!

 

[steubig]

ps

my friend uses moers (not sure which) and strymon delays/reverbs

 

[monsterthompson]

Just plugged in.
Already thinking this was worth selling off the Zoia.

 

[theunknowndude]

ps

my friend uses moers (not sure which) and strymon delays/reverbs

Yeah my guitarist uses the Mooer top of the line multifx (kind of stomp ish equivalent I guess) and a drop pedal for everything we do in our cover band - certainly sounds on a par to the old boss he had…
And my band board is mostly full of expensive boutiques (afterneath, damnation mbd1, eqd kangra fuzz filter. Jc chancellor fuzz wah etc)
I certainly get the share of cheap clones issue. The Mosky rat I have sounds nothing compared to the original Proco rat I had.
By rights I should save up for the ehx oceans 11 / walrus slo I used to have if I want some whacky reverbs just thought would see what experiences people had

 

[monsterthompson]

I’m always torn between being a sucker for cutting edge or at least relatively new, versus being well aware that a lot of my favorite recordings were done with relatively “inferior” products by modern standards. Old gear had issues like noise and quirks with input impedance or control functions, and they couldn’t be controlled by midi or cv in many cases. Yet somehow great recordings were captured. At some point I feel like cheap gear has nothing to prove when stacked against plugins or boutique devices. That said, I’m sure old producers would’ve killed to have certain conveniences. I remember some story about Van Halen trying to get a phaser to start at a very specific point so they had to concoct some convoluted way of tricking the device into working the way they wanted. Now you could probably check a box on an emulator and start modulation wave phase at whatever position based on whatever trigger.

 

[theunknowndude]

I’m always torn between being a sucker for cutting edge or at least relatively new, versus being well aware that a lot of my favorite recordings were done with relatively “inferior” products by modern standards. Old gear had issues like noise and quirks with input impedance or control functions, and they couldn’t be controlled by midi or cv in many cases. Yet somehow great recordings were captured. At some point I feel like cheap gear has nothing to prove when stacked against plugins or boutique devices. That said, I’m sure old producers would’ve killed to have certain conveniences. I remember some story about Van Halen trying to get a phaser to start at a very specific point so they had to concoct some convoluted way of tricking the device into working the way they wanted. Now you could probably check a box on an emulator and start modulation wave phase at whatever position based on whatever trigger.

I remember a similar thing on one of the YouTube effects things, may have even been the pedals and effects show or whatever it’s called, the pyramids phaser did a similar thing and that until then they were using a “broken” phaser that only did half a wave cycle instead of the full… kind of crazy what they can do now…
I never thought it was “ultra useful” but the stuff that Tom cram put into the dirty robot and the other pedals of the time with the ability to merge between triangle, square and sub and mix in between via one knob was kinda cool.

 

[Bob_Ross]

Yes true but for reverb, all are digital… unless you want to build some crazy contraption to get a plate or spring reverb haha

If someone ever makes an all-analog clone of the Cooper Time Cube in a reasonably-sized stompbox format, I am so gonna get one!!!

TIL that when moving clockwise around the circle of fifths the sharp added to the key signature is to raise the 7th. I never thought I could just look at the last sharp of a key signature and go up to the next note to find the key name. How have I never learned this?!

Are you aware of the similar mnemonic/trick for identifying flat keys? I only ask because I learned both shortcuts at the same time; in my nascent music education, they came as a package deal:
The second-to-last flat sign in the key signature is the root name of the (major) key.
E.g., if you see four flats in the key signature -- Bb, Eb, Ab, and Db -- it's the key of Ab, since Ab is sequentially (left to right) the second-to-last flat sign in the key signature.