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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

Links to those tools battery and massive
I'm in for smarter and dumber at the same time.

Finally tested the two synths together. They really compliment each other.

Mixing and blending the drones with the noise is awesome. Unfortunately pedals don't get along with either. I'll incorporate my boss rc3 and sampler for that.....I can record something tomorrow if any are interested. But I warn you ....it's gonna be totally random stuff and I have no idea what the outcome will be. :)
 
Oh crap that looks awesome. But if dive into those and have my trusty ole Ableton I'm gonna get option paralysis big time.

Totally.
With Battery, it's like an Ableton Drum Rack beefed up.

Massive is finally starting to make sense, now that I've spent more time in the hardware world. For some reason I didn't get the whole Oscillator > Filter > Envelope structure when I first opened it. Now I'm thinking - how do I modulate an Oscillator? Oh, with all these envelopes and LFO options. Duh.
 
Totally.
With Battery, it's like an Ableton Drum Rack beefed up.

Massive is finally starting to make sense, now that I've spent more time in the hardware world. For some reason I didn't get the whole Oscillator > Filter > Envelope structure when I first opened it. Now I'm thinking - how do I modulate an Oscillator? Oh, with all these envelopes and LFO options. Duh.
Yeah...random light bulb moments are awesome and "why the -2-$-$+_+_(4)#((28384 did I miss this !!!!

Smart and dumb at the same time like you said.
 
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Yeah...random light bulb moments are awesome and "why the -2-$-$+_+_(4)#((28384 did I miss this !!!!

Smart and dumb at the same time like you said.

Sitting there thinking about hardware synths - man if only there was a way to have more LFO/Envelope options to control filters and mix levels and panning and wet/dry effects...
Oh, like how this software has more LFO/Envelope options than you can shake a stick at?!


Now to start looking at how I'd build out one of these...
4U Palette Case - intellijel

I'm thinking the Rainmaker is a must but going to fill most of it. Perhaps I need to go one size up...
 
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Last night, I checked out Jojo Mayer and Nerve and there was a tabletop modular guy who opened...I think he billed himself as "listening party" - there were a bunch of takeaways for me. I watched with a critical eye and ear. The one thing that really stood out was the lack of energy from the performer really affected the room. Yeah, I get it, he's focused on twisting knobs and connecting mini patch cables to make magic, but I found even his best moments, the tiny club was jamming with conversation and it was challenging to hear the music because it really felt like background.

I know I "complain" about the development of some electronic music taking too long to go "somewhere" - well this was point in example. I felt that this guys stuff did go somewhere. He rarely wasn't twisting a knob or evolving the music, but the lack of energy made it not matter. Had he grabbed a mic and "dj'ed it up" a little letting a good groove just play and yell out a few "yeah" or "come on now" or something and if he was dancing or bouncing, I feel like it would have held the crowd's attention more. The crowd was SUPER attentive for Nerve's set...to the point that you could hear a pin drop during quieter music parts, but EVERYONE was hanging on every note.

Lesson learned for me - if you got a show...make it a show. Don't just twist knobs, give a performance. Another crowd member and I were talking about how it would be cool to even have a camera pointing at the table top so we could see what he was doing...for all we knew he was just playing a track and pretending to twist knobs? Good on him to get that opening slot, but it did not leave a memorable impression despite the quality of the music. It really makes me think of a rick rubin interview I heard recently where he talks about how the most interesting dance music comes from people who grew up listening to different stuff and transitioned into dance. People who grew up listening to dance are strikingly mediocre (per Rick) as they all follow the formula and don't bring anything new to the table.
 
Last night, I checked out Jojo Mayer and Nerve and there was a tabletop modular guy who opened...I think he billed himself as "listening party" - there were a bunch of takeaways for me. I watched with a critical eye and ear. The one thing that really stood out was the lack of energy from the performer really affected the room. Yeah, I get it, he's focused on twisting knobs and connecting mini patch cables to make magic, but I found even his best moments, the tiny club was jamming with conversation and it was challenging to hear the music because it really felt like background.

I know I "complain" about the development of some electronic music taking too long to go "somewhere" - well this was point in example. I felt that this guys stuff did go somewhere. He rarely wasn't twisting a knob or evolving the music, but the lack of energy made it not matter. Had he grabbed a mic and "dj'ed it up" a little letting a good groove just play and yell out a few "yeah" or "come on now" or something and if he was dancing or bouncing, I feel like it would have held the crowd's attention more. The crowd was SUPER attentive for Nerve's set...to the point that you could hear a pin drop during quieter music parts, but EVERYONE was hanging on every note.

Lesson learned for me - if you got a show...make it a show. Don't just twist knobs, give a performance. Another crowd member and I were talking about how it would be cool to even have a camera pointing at the table top so we could see what he was doing...for all we knew he was just playing a track and pretending to twist knobs? Good on him to get that opening slot, but it did not leave a memorable impression despite the quality of the music. It really makes me think of a rick rubin interview I heard recently where he talks about how the most interesting dance music comes from people who grew up listening to different stuff and transitioned into dance. People who grew up listening to dance are strikingly mediocre (per Rick) as they all follow the formula and don't bring anything new to the table.
Interesting... as one into the ambient drone thing, but not playing out with it, yet, I wonder how this will be perceived. I remember being at Moogfest and in a club listening to some great modular, but the audience was quite engaged. I think that with this kind of music, you really need the right crowd to appreciate it, and unfortunately, at least here in the US, there's not a ton of places to successfully pull it off.
 
I'm in huge agreement with the last two posts/observations. It's a real challenge to make a one person electronic show a SHOW. Another possible view could be...
I have a friend who does pretty chill electronic shows. No visuals and very little personality involved. People go to the shows and after a few moments, begin to socialize. They still claim they loved the show as it set a very nice backdrop for them to socialize to. Personally, I'd prefer to see a show, but maybe the backdrop attitude is valid as well?
 
I'm in huge agreement with the last two posts/observations. It's a real challenge to make a one person electronic show a SHOW. Another possible view could be...
I have a friend who does pretty chill electronic shows. No visuals and very little personality involved. People go to the shows and after a few moments, begin to socialize. They still claim they loved the show as it set a very nice backdrop for them to socialize to. Personally, I'd prefer to see a show, but maybe the backdrop attitude is valid as well?

Valid point. Personally I am annoyed by any show where the volume is insufficient to overcome the sound of people conversing. If you want to chat with your friend, leave the venue or go to the back. Same goes for people who are uninterested by what's going on on stage. Conversely I am also annoyed when the canned music between sets is so loud you cannot hold a conversation without screaming into someone's ear...
 
I'm in huge agreement with the last two posts/observations. It's a real challenge to make a one person electronic show a SHOW. Another possible view could be...
I have a friend who does pretty chill electronic shows. No visuals and very little personality involved. People go to the shows and after a few moments, begin to socialize. They still claim they loved the show as it set a very nice backdrop for them to socialize to. Personally, I'd prefer to see a show, but maybe the backdrop attitude is valid as well?
I think there is something to that. I remember Brian Eno said something about the joy of ambient is that it can just be part of the atmosphere... it can almost be ignored. Of course, that's not the best vibe to put out, when you're on a stage somewhere.

My synth duo right now has basically two styles... one is old school, beatless drony ambient, very much in that Hearts of Space mode, and then we have some other downtempo stuff like Carbon Based Lifeforms... the beats are there, but they don't dominate or beat you over the head. I think, at least at first, we're going to try to treat the two separately, in terms of where we try to play and how we market it. But part of the whole ambient trip thing for me is the whole sensory experience, so we want to have good visuals for our show (don't know what, yet), because we want it to be a part of our thing and part of the experience for the listener, not just something thrown on to distract them from the fact that sometimes, there's not a lot going on in the music.

Another element of it - I do think, from an audience perspective, it can be boring as all crap to just see two people up there with a laptop, so, even though I use sequences, (in addition to the bass pedalboard, I run a Virus TI2, a Moog Subsequent 37, an MPC Live, a Digitakt, and soon, hopefully a Hydrasynth), we make a point of making sure that there is always a live element to the music. Sometimes it may be me playing a bassline on the Moog, or some pads, or a variation on a melodic structure. It is a)more fun for both us and the viewer b)adds a layer of improv and spontaneity (as well as the risk of failure, but hey) to the performances. I don't want to be in an act that I wouldn't want to watch, myself.

The biggest frustration in this music, for me, after being a performing bassist for 34 years in lots of accessible genres, is finding places to actually play it where it will be appreciated. It's not exactly the most accessible stuff, sometimes, and we don't really get into any of the EDM thumpo stuff that's so popular with the youngun's today.
 
Valid point. Personally I am annoyed by any show where the volume is insufficient to overcome the sound of people conversing. If you want to chat with your friend, leave the venue or go to the back. Same goes for people who are uninterested by what's going on on stage. Conversely I am also annoyed when the canned music between sets is so loud you cannot hold a conversation without screaming into someone's ear...
Exactly! I've done electronic sets where the sound person has my volume so low that the people who came to see my show couldn't really take it in. Yet after I'm done, he cranks the canned music that no one but him wants to hear. The sound person is key here for sure. Great drone stuff becomes pointless if it isn't loud enough to feel immersive
 
welp, this is the state of things. not really a problem if you consider that this stuff is going to be very niche (and probably always has been).

seems to me that the thing one needs to do is find fellow travelers and enjoy that.

that being said, i find shows with just knob-twiddling or controlling max/msp with a mouse to be a bit tedious. as someone else mentioned, a camera view of what someone is doing could be a lot of fun. (and there are some people who are doing really interesting things controlling modulars, etc., with traditional instruments that do seem to translate live.)

there a few people in l.a. who do droney stuff on modular while playing with others. the person who comes to mind immediately is a woman named ang who does gigs with more ambient-tilting bass players. i found those shows to be more interesting, partially due to the interaction between them, i think.

(truthfully, for most shows, i close my eyes when i'm listening, so i really think i key into interaction more than anything—solo artists who are droney don't really do that very much, ime.)

anyway, just musing.
 
This has been the huge advantage of my ambient project. Attendees recline and meditate with their eyes closed, so there is no visual performance element once it begins... Though we try to set the mood with lights and decorations at the start and end.

A room full of eyes-closed people has a totally different set of expectations.