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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread
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Yes it would I think, if I could use it to control Live's drum rack instrument.
Is that possible??
I'd use the Live sounds and samples and control with maschine.
(Light bulb moment)
@JES and @monsterthompson ftw!!!
Thanks for the early tips, will dig fo sure.
Forward we go!!!!
Damn this thread is dope.
Thanks for the early tips, will dig fo sure.
Forward we go!!!!
Damn this thread is dope.
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Actually, yeah, this is the answer. If you want to just control Live's instruments, get one of the launchpads with velocity, and you will probably be set. I have the new mini for other duties and am pretty impressed. Add some knobs if you are really motivated.
@ugly_bassplayer
it’s not what i do, but i agree with the other folks who think the novation launch pad, or similar, might do what you want.
i was trying to recall if the mc-101 sent midi. i found this:
“Tone and Drum tracks output MIDI, so can be used for sequencing external sound sources.”
also looked up the tr-6s:
Recording MIDI into Ableton Live via USB
To record MIDI from the TR-6S into Ableton Live, create a new MIDI track by pressing Create>Insert MIDI Track. You can then simply record the MIDI data straight onto that track, then take the data from the clip and allocate it to different tracks as you see fit.
it might interesting to investigate this option because you could work away from computer and then port stuff over to abelton. (say you’re out in the world with some time to kill and you have your trusty 101 or tr-6s, you can work on stuff.)
it’s not what i do, but i agree with the other folks who think the novation launch pad, or similar, might do what you want.
i was trying to recall if the mc-101 sent midi. i found this:
“Tone and Drum tracks output MIDI, so can be used for sequencing external sound sources.”
also looked up the tr-6s:
Recording MIDI into Ableton Live via USB
To record MIDI from the TR-6S into Ableton Live, create a new MIDI track by pressing Create>Insert MIDI Track. You can then simply record the MIDI data straight onto that track, then take the data from the clip and allocate it to different tracks as you see fit.
it might interesting to investigate this option because you could work away from computer and then port stuff over to abelton. (say you’re out in the world with some time to kill and you have your trusty 101 or tr-6s, you can work on stuff.)
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What would be your workflow?
I mainly come from a chop and sample,loop breakbeat background.
Workflow for more complex patterns?
I'm just looking for something more inspiring than the dreaded mouse drum edit program snooze fest.
my workflow is in flux. what i mean is that i haven't tried playing the pads on my 707 (or anything else) into abelton. mostly i've done the point and click thing, which i don't like. which is why i went to the 707.
right now i've been setting up tracks that have different lengths and using those to phase against each other and pulling stuff in and out. (i posted a few experiments with that flow a while back.)
i've never been a sample/cut guy.
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The MC707 seems like a killer drum machine/groovebox for flexibility. Digitakt is awesome. I’d still have one, but Octatrack...
For an affordable drum machine, I love my Elektron Model:Cycles. Deceptively powerful
For an affordable drum machine, I love my Elektron Model:Cycles. Deceptively powerful
I think the Dolorean time machine and handing some drumsticks to a 14 yo me would be the best idea.
That and smacking that smug kid to learn to play with a ^&^$$ pick so he would suck less at it in 2021.
Who’s in for some time travel and a little smacking on the teen me??
Drinks on me.
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nifty idea.
https://alexandernaut.com/fuguemachine/
Fugue Machine is a tool inspired by composition techniques used in Baroque music and Serialism — e.g. Bach’s canons and fugues, and Schoenberg’s twelve-tone technique. The idea was to design a tool to manipulate a melody’s speed, direction, and pitch, as well as play multiple variations of the melody simultaneously.
As it turned out, the best implementation for this was to reimagine one of the most fundamental building blocks of all music sequencers: the piano roll.
Fugue Machine is the world’s first multi-playhead piano roll. Create a music sequence and play it back with up to four playheads at once — each at various speeds, directions, and pitches. Watch the playheads dance, and hear the complex patterns that emerge. It’s mesmerizing.
https://alexandernaut.com/fuguemachine/
Fugue Machine is a tool inspired by composition techniques used in Baroque music and Serialism — e.g. Bach’s canons and fugues, and Schoenberg’s twelve-tone technique. The idea was to design a tool to manipulate a melody’s speed, direction, and pitch, as well as play multiple variations of the melody simultaneously.
As it turned out, the best implementation for this was to reimagine one of the most fundamental building blocks of all music sequencers: the piano roll.
Fugue Machine is the world’s first multi-playhead piano roll. Create a music sequence and play it back with up to four playheads at once — each at various speeds, directions, and pitches. Watch the playheads dance, and hear the complex patterns that emerge. It’s mesmerizing.
Dude, I've done enough counterpoint in my lifetime.
If I voice one more Bach choral work I might puke or pass out.
But it is incredibly formative. So rich in content. The fugues are incredible works to study also. Straight up alien next dimensional genius right there.
Bach ,the real OG.
Edit....i might buy that app.
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I was fortunate enough to learn drums at an early age, and then to play them semi-seriously through my early 20s. Last time I recorded myself playing acoustic drums was some time in the mid-1980s though. But I have a couple decades worth of cassette tapes full of tunes with me drumming where I just parked a single SM57 four feet in front of the kit, counted it off, played through the form of the tune without any click or reference track, and then moved on to the next overdub. Sounded like ass but got the gist across.
Over the subsequent ~30+ years my Drum Track Creation Workflow included all of the following:
- programming MIDI via a grid of pads (i.e., typical Linn/Yamaha/Roland drum machine interface)
- programming MIDI via a piano-type keyboard controller (i.e., whatever the synth du jour was in the studio...somewhere around here I have a Kurzweil K2vX that suffices)
- programming MIDI via sticks on an Octapad or full kit of electric drum pads (i.e., Roland V-drum, Alesis DM10, or Yamaha equivalent)
- chopping up freeware beats (audio files) in Propellerhead ReCycle and throwing the resulting .rex files into the DAW
- sending audio stems to my "real" drummer friends and begging them to lay down tracks
Y'know what I wish my Drum Track Creation Workflow was nowadays? Throwing up a single SM57 four feet in front of the kit, counting it off, playing through the form of the tune without any click or reference track, and then moving on to the next overdub.
Post of the day for sure.
(Applause, pays virtual drink of choice.)
I was mostly poking around for you regulars workflows etc....I hate the mouse drum programming.
And yes, me.asking this was after begging a drummer to lay down some tracks for me.
My favourite way to rec drums is with 4 mics
Kick, snare, ohr ohl.
No click, 1...2...3...go....
Next!!!!! I love dusty, dirty real drums with bleed in the mics and room noise.
Then I often bounce the 4 tracks to a stereo track and sample/chop it like I was lifting it from a record.
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The why not trade skills with someone? Can you trade mixing services or something else?
Or buy some drum tracks and then edit then like you like. Play to your strengths!
Thanks for the words of encouragement, Ill take that as a compliment.
Will definitely keep an eye out for an exchange or services.
Also I just re installed all the Ableton packs back on computer, will do start a virtual crate dig starting tonight.
