I saw Haden with Gonzalo Rubalcaba about 20 years ago. Huge thick sound.
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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread
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I definitely get more excited going to live shows that are rock, jazz, or something played with strings, winds, drums, etc., rather than electronic instruments.
And yet...I wonder about what the actual difference is. In a large venue, I might not be able to see the details of a guitarist's or drummer's hand movements much better than I could see someone playing a laptop or twisting knobs on a modular. Additionally, lots of the music I like is heavily signal processed. Which means that even if I'm right near the stage, I actually am not seeing anything like a causal connection between the musician's hands and the sound coming at me. Sure, there might be pitch information (bassist hits 5th fret on D string, I hear a pitched sound "G" but it's through 3 different Dr Scientist Elements and a couple Boss RV500s...) but that might not even be the most important part of the music.
So I am left wondering if it's just ideology, or habit, or what I grew up with, and not anything more substantial.
In other news, I just wired up the home studio to more seamlessly move sound between the laptop and the synth table/bass amp. And I could simultaneously taste-test some different preamp DIs. Fun. Exciting times ahead, though most of my energy will be for our recording session at the end of the month--been reading a lot on micing drums.
And yet...I wonder about what the actual difference is. In a large venue, I might not be able to see the details of a guitarist's or drummer's hand movements much better than I could see someone playing a laptop or twisting knobs on a modular. Additionally, lots of the music I like is heavily signal processed. Which means that even if I'm right near the stage, I actually am not seeing anything like a causal connection between the musician's hands and the sound coming at me. Sure, there might be pitch information (bassist hits 5th fret on D string, I hear a pitched sound "G" but it's through 3 different Dr Scientist Elements and a couple Boss RV500s...) but that might not even be the most important part of the music.
So I am left wondering if it's just ideology, or habit, or what I grew up with, and not anything more substantial.
In other news, I just wired up the home studio to more seamlessly move sound between the laptop and the synth table/bass amp. And I could simultaneously taste-test some different preamp DIs. Fun. Exciting times ahead, though most of my energy will be for our recording session at the end of the month--been reading a lot on micing drums.
Conditioning is key, and people grip tight to what they know.
I think TikTok and IG content is the "pop music" of the current youth. While not necessarily musical, they aren't functionally unlike music for older generations. It's young, hip stuff that the geezers can't relate to. The memes are symbolic slang like many rock lyrics. An influencer "trend" copied by others isn't unlike a riff or lick or chord progression from a radio artist that gets studied and copied by kids in garage bands. The influencers are the rockstars and the reels are the songs. Break out of the constructs of the P/flat/tort generation and look at the big picture, and I think these things look more similar than different.
I saw the Dave Brubeck Quartet when Dave was 90, and his bandmates were no spring chickens, either, but that band was totally full of energy. So youth is overrated, at least to some degree.
I also saw Tangerine Dream live in a small/medium club in Philadelphia about 2 years before Froese died, and though much of the music was 80s cheese they had an energetic stage show. Also, a guitarist, a violinist, and at least one percussionist. It also helped that everyone in the audience were already established TD fans and were just happy to see the band in the US again after so many years. I think that was 2012.
I also saw Tangerine Dream live in a small/medium club in Philadelphia about 2 years before Froese died, and though much of the music was 80s cheese they had an energetic stage show. Also, a guitarist, a violinist, and at least one percussionist. It also helped that everyone in the audience were already established TD fans and were just happy to see the band in the US again after so many years. I think that was 2012.
Personally, id choose the ornette classic quartet era.
Ornette, Cherry, Haden, Blackwell
Mmmmmmmmm........pure awesomeness
saw old and new dreams, which was pretty damned good. a top-10 or -20 gig.
Wow, I freakin love Dewey Redman. Old and New Dreams is criminally underrated.
Dewey’s kid however I can’t stand.
I dig his kid.
Ok...Ornette or Old and New Dreams for sure. Two of my favorite bands of all time.
I also never got to see Paul Motian, and that kills me. Paul is on my mind nearly every day....certainly every time I play music.
Ok...Ornette or Old and New Dreams for sure. Two of my favorite bands of all time.
I also never got to see Paul Motian, and that kills me. Paul is on my mind nearly every day....certainly every time I play music.
Bill Evans trio is probably one of the bands I’ve listened to the most in my life.
Motian was definitely a huge part of the LaFaro era. His brush work is so perfect. Feel, swing, counterpoint of bass and drums.
I think I prefer to appreciate how many shows I have been able to see. Saw Deep Purple at the Budokan in 1985; Phish and a bunch of the other improvisational jam bands as they rose in the late '80s/early '90s; the Grateful Dead three times in the '90s, with one of those transcendental moments when the entire place was vibrating with cosmic energy bigger than any individual part; Magma, Gong, Kraftwerk, Damo Suzuki, etc. over the past 20 years - bands I never dreamed I'd be able to see live and in person. Then there's all the recordings - it's kind of an embarrassment of riches.
Of course, I would love to have been able to see Jimi Hendrix, or Miles Davis in 1970 with Dave Holland on P Bass, any number of bands at their peak. But I probably wouldn't have been aware of the significance or magnificence when I was there. Hell, there's a good chance I'd have been too drunk/wasted to enjoy it! Of course, that can have its own significance, but then we've gone beyond the parameters of the exercise...
1st time playing with 3d humans tonight since last August.
Fixed my old 1972 ampeg G412 head. Brand new power amp condensers for more headroom .
Bi amp ftw!!!!
Yes yes.
Fixed my old 1972 ampeg G412 head. Brand new power amp condensers for more headroom .
Bi amp ftw!!!!
Yes yes.
congrats. i still have a bit longer before this happens.
Ok, the amp tech wasn't effin around when he said more power and headroom.
Holy ^@^#@!&$($@×¥÷£=
Holy ^@^#@!&$($@×¥÷£=
Ok, the amp tech wasn't effin around when he said more power and headroom.
Holy ^@^#@!&$($@×¥÷£=
there goes your hearing.
3x84 might be almost as much as I want to deal with. I’ve got 20 spaces (2x10) I could expand to fill. I have been eyeing a slim OSC module and a clock divider, which would round me out except for effects and sequencing. I’m also eyeing the Qpas stereo filter from Make Noise. I’m sure I’ll keep expanding this, but this should keep me busy for a bit.
Whatever I’ve got patched in right now is incredible. It’s a bunch of random stuff, mostly to test the modules all have power, but I could just let this go all night. I might need to start a drug habit to go with this. It would probably be cheaper than more modules.
Apropos of our recent discussion of synth vs strings/skins performance: Absent Without Leave - The Absolute Sound
And @monsterthompson -- there's a point of diminishing returns with an integrated system in a modular, just like there are limits on the size of a useful pedalboard. Doesn't mean you can't have more modules or pedals, but it's a "how much do you want to be aware of at once" sort of question. Size is deceptive in modular, though -- my system's gotten slightly bigger in size but with fewer modules, as I am seeking ease of use.
And @monsterthompson -- there's a point of diminishing returns with an integrated system in a modular, just like there are limits on the size of a useful pedalboard. Doesn't mean you can't have more modules or pedals, but it's a "how much do you want to be aware of at once" sort of question. Size is deceptive in modular, though -- my system's gotten slightly bigger in size but with fewer modules, as I am seeking ease of use.
RE: live music, computers, interaction with others etc….
I consider myself an amateur expert on youth and kids, being around them about 24\7 from ages 5 to 17…..
Every time an old school musician talks about that subject, they might have the right intentions but they always fail to see the big picture. But they make some excellent points in regards top live music and interaction between living breathing expert musicians.
Things change, they always will and will never come back to “the way it was”.
No matter how hard you try to convince the next generation of how it was “better” back then, you’re gonna hit a brick wall at 100mph.
Live music is very far from the list of interests in todays youth it might leave some of you completely on your @$$. They dont give a EFFF, and that’s ok, because like I previously said, things change ….for the better or for the worse.
And what’s so wrong about someone making music by themselves on a computer??? Im just happy a kid can make beats on his laptop without having to spend thousands of $$. Even if they suck at it, at least they’re creating. Where’s the downside in that?
It’s not exactly a magic hit making easy button, it just facilitates the process of creating….IMO.
Same thing happened when hip hop hit in the early 80s, musicians slammed the “new” cool thing on the block because they didn’t understand it.
Now music is made differently, it is what it is, no going back its way to late for that.
I’d rather embrace change, adapt and do my own thing.
I never want to be the old guy saying “you damn kids, it was way better back in my day”
We might never have another Bitches Brew, but again…..do we need another Bitches Brew???
No , we need to evolve and go forward with new ideas and technologies.
Can a computer have the same feel as a Pass\NHOP duo, no…..but thats not the intention either.
Dilla mastered the sampler, he made it sound human. (I know, I’m dilla fan boy #1….) and he completely revolutionized the way drums are played. Just think about that a bit
IMO, IME, YMMV, my 2 cents (hope I got some of this right, again my life long struggle to express thought into words…..)
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