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Ambient/Post-Rock/Textural bass playing thread

I realized that he had confused his dislike of the band with a quantitative judgment about their abilities.

I had a friend many years ago who told me I needed to be more cautious with the musical opinions I espoused, because as an educated musician (I happen to have two degrees in music, fwiw) my opinions do carry a degree of quantitative judgment. (!!!)

Pffftt... I told him if folks can't discern my opinions from facts it's not my responsibility to set them straight.

But it does highlight a certain lack of discrimination on many people's judgements. "The Beatles suck" can't even be a factual statement absent additional qualifications. And trying to further factualize (yes I really did use that word) that opinion by offering additional qualifications -- e.g., "The Beatles' music was naively simplistic due to its lack of historically informed craft" -- just demands further context for those qualifications, and most of the folks spewing those sort of opinions are neither equipped to nor even aware of how they would have to provide that context.

It's a combination of ignorance and laziness: Far easier just to say "____________" without having to append "I think ____________" to every utterance ...and without having to recognize that that's what you are really expressing.
 
I had a friend many years ago who told me I needed to be more cautious with the musical opinions I espoused, because as an educated musician (I happen to have two degrees in music, fwiw) my opinions do carry a degree of quantitative judgment. (!!!)

Pffftt... I told him if folks can't discern my opinions from facts it's not my responsibility to set them straight.

But it does highlight a certain lack of discrimination on many people's judgements. "The Beatles suck" can't even be a factual statement absent additional qualifications. And trying to further factualize (yes I really did use that word) that opinion by offering additional qualifications -- e.g., "The Beatles' music was naively simplistic due to its lack of historically informed craft" -- just demands further context for those qualifications, and most of the folks spewing those sort of opinions are neither equipped to nor even aware of how they would have to provide that context.

It's a combination of ignorance and laziness: Far easier just to say "____________" without having to append "I think ____________" to every utterance ...and without having to recognize that that's what you are really expressing.

The hardest thing for me is to level my criticisms against myself - I’m sure I am often guilty of what bugs me in others. I teach and can be critical of my students - sometimes I find myself wondering if I went too far, or if some unconscious bias was playing a role. But sometimes they say stuff that just rubs me the wrong way - I try to be gentle, honest! At least on a forum I can just block someone or stop reading…

Wait, what were we talking about?!
 
It is one of my favorite calendar days, though not a very ambient one.
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I’m a lurker… I agree too much with all of what was said in the past few pages… probably why I stay out of the strings / bass / amp sections… I have no idea how they keep posting new content some days :)
But then what’s that to say about me who likes the effects section, comments on how my limited time playing / exposure to ambient noise peice solo music and the occasional band practice with my 3 other friends in a non serious metal band has any reflections of fact…pot kettle black / mind explosions on overthinking or something…

At any rate, this thread has new content and pretty good folks so ;)
 
I’m a lurker… I agree too much with all of what was said in the past few pages… probably why I stay out of the strings / bass / amp sections… I have no idea how they keep posting new content some days :)
But then what’s that to say about me who likes the effects section, comments on how my limited time playing / exposure to ambient noise peice solo music and the occasional band practice with my 3 other friends in a non serious metal band has any reflections of fact…pot kettle black / mind explosions on overthinking or something…

At any rate, this thread has new content and pretty good folks so ;)
Amps section
Aka
The no fun zone
 
Amps section
Aka
The no fun zone
While my interests/temperament have almost no overlap with the amps forum, on occasion I have received invaluable assistance there. Shout out to @Passinwind for steering me to victory while the rest of the forum belittled me. My modified Fearful single 12” cab is still a central part of my rig. There are kind, helpful people sprinkled throughout TB.
 
While my interests/temperament have almost no overlap with the amps forum, on occasion I have received invaluable assistance there. Shout out to @Passinwind for steering me to victory while the rest of the forum belittled me. My modified Fearful single 12” cab is still a central part of my rig. There are kind, helpful people sprinkled throughout TB.
some of the users in the amps forum are beyond awesome
agedhorse is a freakin awesome member
plenty of knowledge I agree, also plenty of bickering