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Ampeg - what is going on with their quality?

Bean counters will also out-source to the lowest bidder. If the lowest bidder fails to produce an "acceptable" failure rate then the process starts again.
Not all "over-seas" are direct manufacturing moves, out-source is much more cost effective (and can be more challenging to control product failure rates).
 
I've heard of a few issues with quality of some of the Ampeg products and at first put it down to growing pains, but after the past couple of months, and particularly today, I am really starting to wonder.
First my local store stopped carrying Ampeg a few months ago, telling me the quality was very sub par and they were having far too many warranty returns. They have carried and recommended Ampeg products for years so that was a big red flag right there.
Then today I stopped into another store that carries Ampeg and they only had one combo in the whole store. I asked why and was told they were not carrying Ampeg anymore due to quality issues. This is a store that also fixes amps and they told me that the combos were coming in for repair and when they opened them up they were finding extremely poor workmanship. His actual comment was "the high end stuff is very good, but the cheaper stuff just falls apart... they're not even worth fixing."
On the way home I stopped at another store, also an Ampeg dealer. There they had two Micro VR SVT 2X10 cabinets. Both literally had the tolex peeling off of them. Asked what was up with them and they said they were both going back and this store was also getting out of the Ampeg business.
Anyway... I was considering a BA108 or BA110 but that GAS is cured now.


I agree. My SVT had to be torn right down to fix ground wire issues with the Power Tubes. Tech said EVERY solder joint was bad.

I sold the junk.
 
In defense of Ampeg I had and gigged heavily a Vietnam made SVT VR with never a problem. The person who now has it is very happy. While I am currently gigging a Fender Super Bassman there will be another SVT in the armoury at some time in the future. I am happy to pay Heritage prices if that is what it takes. I was very interested to read in another thread that Ampeg may be bringing out a non-Heritage B15 but still assembled in the U.S. - this is where my Ampeg heart lies, in U.S assembled product.
Not wanting too compare the two companies as they are different flavors of excellence IMO, but Fender seem to have it right - they manufacture their heads outside the USA in Mexico, but are not rushing them off the assembly line. This probably leads to fewer QC controls and returns (just my theory, Ampeg may well have a similar approach).
 
The roots of overseas manufactured QC issues is the huge volume of production engineering required to move to an offshore facility..

...those companies that do successful offshore manf with maintainable and acceptable QC levels typically have learned those lessons, document the product to the nth degree and have their own company staff as laison at the manf. site.

This. The key, is in how much energy the company puts into oversight and quality control.

Most "Japanese" motorcycles are now made in Taiwan, which is pretty much the world capital for quality scooters and motorcycles. My 2002 Kawasaki KLR650 was one of the first off the line after they moved production to Taiwan, and there were no quality issues. Zero. Zip. Nada.

My Genz Streamliner was made in there, too, and it was one of the better-engineered pieces of consumer electronics I've seen.
 
After thinking about this for a minute, Loud also owns Mackie which is exclusive to GC. Which is Ampegs entire market basically. I bet they're doing the same thing. Just making already well known products more cheaply to cut the cost and they porbably won't cut msrp until GC gives the go ahead... Bummer :(
 
I'd love to say that OP's story about 3 separate retailers is coincidence... I can't really, though.

Although I can tell you I was using an SVT3 Pro (new) for about 2 years and it was rock solid - the SVT410HLF was US used so it's not relevant.

I picked up a BA108 a couple months ago and again - no problems at all. Rock solid...

So I guess what I'm saying is if you want Ampeg... go through a good dealer, and if you have a problem just let them deal with it. hahaha
 
I agree. I wanted an Ampeg for years like pretty much every up and coming rock player and now I owned one, got completely soured by their current offerings and probably wouldn't consider them again as of it.

I got my first Ampeg (Viet Nam) BA 210, it eventually failed went in and out for repair many times before I demanded my money back from the store. I replaced it with an SVT-6 pro (Asian) and it too had issues right out of the store, so back it went. I bought a used USA SVT-Cl and it served me well for the time I had it. Supposedly their failure rate has dropped quite a bit since then.

The BA series has a horrible failure rate, just look around TB for starters. I have seen many complaints about having them fail on you.

This is also not news, this happened when the switched it all over to Asia (NOT A SLAM ON ASIAN PRODUCTION IN GENERAL just Ampeg Asian stuff), you notice how a lot of the big name players switched from Ampeg around that time? There was no coincidence, people lost faith in their gear.

I have also heard of retailers stocking less Ampeg gear, specifically their entry level stuff for the reasons the OP mentioned.
 
Hey..... it's MI.... not high end home hifi....... is now, was back whenever, too. In fact it may be worse now, there is more competition, there are more copycats, it's rough.

If you want to see cheap, look at old Fender...... it was cheap to build the way they did..... it would cost a lot NOW, but don't go by that, it was cheap then.

The old Fender circuitry is simple stuff out of the tube manuals..... so is most all of the other early MI stuff.

It happens that the construction held up pretty well, and players learned to get what they wanted out of the circuits, so that stuff became "classic".

Now, Loud may or may not know how to get quality out of the third level manufacturers they use.... It isn't easy, I have been there and seen that.... both from this side, and also over in china.

Those folks in china want to make money too, and they don't have much to lose with lower volume customers. MI does not sell like consumer goods, and likely tends to be "fill-in" production. 5000 pieces, which is a big run for a single MI product unless lowest end, is really just getting started, it's over so fast they hardly learn what to do.

I've gone around and around on products with the same errors cropping up again, even though the documentation was clear. We even had the contract folks change a PC board in a way that made the amp fail.... guaranteed.

On top of that, the chinese are actually running out of factory workers..... its true.... there is a big push toward trying to keep them, instead of having the traditional attitude that there are ten more waiting to take the place if one quits.

The result is that only the poor workers will work for the secondary and third level factories, that pay poorly and overwork folks.

Guess where that leads........
 
The 210AV cabs with the peeling tolex are likely about a year old. That's an old, temporary issue with a batch of bad glue, that Ampeg corrected. Its a bummer that it happened but i'm sure that store could have contacted Ampeg and gotten replacements. Especially if it were a smaller, local store.
 
My local music store stopped selling Ampeg years ago when they started making them all in China. That turned Victor Wooten away as well. Last I heard, he used Hartke rigs.

Which also come from China. :) I think it has more to do with Wooten getting a better deal, but also because Larry Hartke IS Hartke. You need an MBA to figure out Ampeg's history.
 
A few years ago Ampeg products had a reputation for having bad QC. I experienced it first hand with a high end product and had a list of both electronic and cosmetic issues when I returned the amp. Dealers couldn't get products in a timely way and there were a lot of returns. I heard repeatedly that if you got a good amp you wouldn't have any worries.

Since then they've moved production to other manufacturing sites, worked hard to resolve problems, and have made great strides in QC. Design issues that have come up are something else.

I thought that these sort of problems were behind them. Is this just with the entry level products?
 
I've heard of a few issues with quality of some of the Ampeg products and at first put it down to growing pains, but after the past couple of months, and particularly today, I am really starting to wonder.
First my local store stopped carrying Ampeg a few months ago, telling me the quality was very sub par and they were having far too many warranty returns. They have carried and recommended Ampeg products for years so that was a big red flag right there.
Then today I stopped into another store that carries Ampeg and they only had one combo in the whole store. I asked why and was told they were not carrying Ampeg anymore due to quality issues. This is a store that also fixes amps and they told me that the combos were coming in for repair and when they opened them up they were finding extremely poor workmanship. His actual comment was "the high end stuff is very good, but the cheaper stuff just falls apart... they're not even worth fixing."
On the way home I stopped at another store, also an Ampeg dealer. There they had two Micro VR SVT 2X10 cabinets. Both literally had the tolex peeling off of them. Asked what was up with them and they said they were both going back and this store was also getting out of the Ampeg business.
Anyway... I was considering a BA108 or BA110 but that GAS is cured now.

If you want to try their Micro CL "stack" (210 with head) it's solid enough. Got mine for a practice amp (matches my SVT .. yay) but it's a nice little rig, sounds real good and seems well made.