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An issue with Rickenbacker

I love my Rics and they're not going anywhere. However, some of the things that others have said about the company are spot on. Like the "Soup Nazi" Ric expects everyone to buy and love what they make - and people must be nuts to want anything else. I also think they hurt themselves by not trying to innovate and introduce new instrument designs with modern features like active electronics, thinner necks (like they used to make) and more finish options.
Unless Ric does something new, they've probably seen the last of my money.
 
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Well, just a guess as to how the thought process works at Rickenbacker, but maybe by defending an instrument as a real Ric, you had by definition acknowledged the existence of fake Rics, thereby giving the fake Rics recognition?
It’s a Facebook group for Rick fans, not actually adminned by RIC.
There’s a bunch of similar FB groups, the amount of horse manure people fling about on those sights
is mind boggling.
 
It’s a Facebook group for Rick fans, not actually adminned by RIC.
There’s a bunch of similar FB groups, the amount of horse manure people fling about on those sights
is mind boggling.

Yeah, I doubt the one I got kicked off of was related to the RIC company.

I had a pleasant interaction with Mr. Hall, and do enjoy his former companies products a great deal...

I'm poised to have a playing collection of mostly Ric's and ThunderBirds, the cream has risen to the top.
 
Social media platforms are privately owned. Ric's page is not their page, and Facebook etc has every right to censor you if they please, being privately owned. None of this is big brother. If you throw a fit at McDonalds because your fries aren't crispy and they ban you from the place it's not Big Brother censorship. You can't whine about Facebook censoring people and turn around and say it's OK if Rick bans you from their page because you stickered your 4004. Social media platforms don't owe you freedom of speech the same way that if you don't want me in your private business you're free to kick me out. No shirt no shoes (no mask) no service.
Well, that is debatable. Social media platforms act as todays town square. They have the legal exemptions they do because specifically because they promised to behave as platforms and not as editors. But now they're behaving as editors. I don't mind the idea of them behaving as editors as long as they are legally accountable for their actions as editors. But I do NOT like the idea of them behaving as editors while having the legal exemptions as platforms.
 
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Somehow I can easily picture that one. "Of course they're lower quality parts!!! How DARE you assume we waste expenses on more exclusive materials?!"
I guess he ran off copy of this: alt.guitar.rickenbacker Frequently Asked QuestionsSection - 5.24 Why don't modern Rickenbackers have the same inlays as they did back in the sixties?
jhall said:
"There's only one correct answer [...] this material hasn't been
made for more than 20 years. We've looked at a zillion samples
of materials purported to be "just the same" but they are not.

When something comes along that looks just like the original, be
assured that we'll use it. In the meantime, we continue to search
for this from every vendor we can find but to date it's been
fruitless."

[John Hall, [email protected], 12/22/1999]


"The original material was an acrylic resin material in sheet form.
The pearlescent which rather looks like sea snail shell was also
acrylic. It appears to have been made by grinding the shell sheet
material and pouring that together with the resin. The Japanese
company which made this specialized in drum shell coverings, so I
suppose this was essentially a by-product made from scrap
material.

All of the samples we have seen through the years differ
significantly from the original material in a variety of ways. In
many the colors and/or degree of pearlescence is just wrong. Other
material has a grain that is too coarse or too fine. Finally. much
material is not mechanically suited to being inlayed, crowned,
coated, and polished.

The process we use now . . . . still all synthetic . . . has come
through a long evolution and doesn't much resemble the process as
described elsewhere in this thread. Extensive procedural and
formula changes were made in 1984 and again in 1990. This is about
the only area in our process that we truly consider a "trade
secret". It's also very demanding and the materials themselves are
difficult to work with.

If the old material were available, we'd jump back to using it in
a minute!"

[John Hall, [email protected], 12/24/1999]
 
Well, that is debatable. Social media platforms act as todays town square. They have the legal exemptions they do because specifically because they promised to behave as platforms and not as editors. But now they're behaving as editors. I don't mind the idea of them behaving as editors as long as they are legally accountable for their actions as editors. But I do NOT like the idea of them behaving as editors while having the legal exemptions as platforms.

Why not? Your analogy is weak, a town square is public, social media is not only private, you need to register AND agree to their terms of service (much like any other business) to use their service.

You make no distinction between private and public here. Are you saying social media should be publicly/government owned and regulated? Are you willing to pay out of your taxes to maintain the services, whether you choose to use them or not?

No thanks. By the way I cannot stand social media that doesn't specialize (like bass forums), and am not on any social network. But a private business, no matter how successful, is still a private business.
 
For what it’s worth, this thread caused me to check out Rickenbackers official Instagram page and I noticed people were lamenting The lack of finish on the fingerboards as recently as a few hours ago
To my knowledge they haven’t had their comments taken down yet…

I owned a Rickenbacker bass. It was an enigma. It was a 4004, arguably the most refined model in their line at the time.
It had an amazing sound, very powerful and unique. Ergonomically it felt Neanderthal in its contours and playability
Their very existence makes the bass world a more interesting place
 
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I had the Honor(?) Of being the brief target of John Halls' ire yearsago on Ricresource when he still occasionally posted there. I had the temerity to question why they were still having bridge tail lift after 20+ years of well documented problems. He did NOT like that! (But offered no coherent explanation, BTW) He's an a$$hat for sure, but no longer runs the company. His son Ben should now be the object of any gripes that need to be aired. They appear to be at least trying to respond to their rabidly loyal customer bass with some long overdue improvements like the V2 bridge, push pull tone cap, 5 string bass, and (possible) change to a single DA rod. Their warranty still sucks, but since they sell.every bass they can make, hard to argue with their business model. Im cautiously optimistic.
 
They have the legal exemptions they do because specifically because they promised to behave as platforms and not as editors. But now they're behaving as editors.

Um... no. These are private systems, and the owners have the right to boot folks off as they feel.
Facebook groups are also private, and while they can be subject to someone who runs the service, the folks who set up and maintain the group can boot you for whatever reason they like.
They are under no obligation to explain why or give any reason to the other members. There is no legal requirement that you be heard on any of these online platforms.
Poof. You're gone.

It was the same in the BBS days. A lot of folks got banned from dialup services back then and demanded their rights were being violated for it. Nope. No way. Eventually they stop banging on the door and find another place to go.

That aside... John actually runs an English Polo club, doesn't he? I'd love to see what the opinions of him are from his teammates/players.
 
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At least you get a “free” $449 vintage case when you pay full bore MSRP or slightly, very slightly discounted price when you get your new bass.
That's the funniest bit, when my buddy bought me my 4003 from GC (I'd done him several big favors and he worked there and was able to get it HALF OFF) the receipt has the case as $1! From my understanding they weren't able to give them as FREE cases, so they resolved to sell them for a dollar.