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An Observation Regarding Rap

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Brad Johnson said:
Say Rap or politics or religion and it's off to the races on TB.

For everyone...

I'd seriously like to know if anyone who hates Raps hates any other genres or is Rap the only music that isn't for them?
I'll have a go at your loaded question.... :p (I won't cop to hating, but admit to writing that I dislike)

There are a few genres that I tend to click away from when I encounter them:

1. Slow, organ filled church hymns (my mother is a church organist and a dang good one, but I bail ASAP when the tempo is dirge like)
2. Heavy Metal - just never dug it, despite being a roadie for my roomies speed metal band. Unpleasant to my ear.
3. The current bunch of 'pop divas' whose voices all sound the same, like it went through the 'magic box' from the Simpsons's Back Street Boys episode.
4. Smoooooooth Jazz tends to get turned off.
5. Pop country. Love a lot of old country, bluegrass, americana, Wille Nelson (whatever that is), the Bakersfield sound, Irish, etc. but light weight pop country doesn't last long on my radio dial.
6. Styx, ToTo, Kansas, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner... what is this stuff? What do we call this? I tend to turn away from it.

Are these genre's, or am I rambling...?

Dang, I'm out of wine, and need to be done....
 
The question's not really directed at me, since I do like rap, but I tend to judge music mostly by whether it holds my interest. A good beat, or interesting harmony, or unusual timbres, or something else completely. It doesn't really matter, but as long as a song has something for me I'll usually enjoy it. Some more than others, but I never judge based on genre.
 
Brad Johnson said:
Say Rap or politics or religion and it's off to the races on TB.

For everyone...

I'd seriously like to know if anyone who hates Raps hates any other genres or is Rap the only music that isn't for them?

Brad, I'd say I like modern Country (you know..the poppy stuff, Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney), and modern R and B about as much as I like rap. The modern R and B (the poppy stuff...like Usher..Mariah Carey, etc) is especially sad, because I LOVE the classic stuff...Motown, Memphis, Philly, up through The Ohio Players, EWF, etc.
 
AuG said:
I used to listen to rap, back when 2pac and Biggie were still breathing. I eventually realized that this whole "genre" does nothing but promote guns, drugs, the love of money (probably the worst part of it all) and viewing women as 'bitches'. Sorry, but take a look at any rap video and that's what you have. The mere fact of 50 cent starring in a video game of himself and the streets of wherever is pure nonsense, and directly points to his past gang involvement. It's indirectly saying that gangs are cool, and that since he was in a gang and is now famous that you could be in one too. You have respect for that? Respect for someone who has the stardom and sheer number of fans who are so influenced by his image that they would do anything to try to copy his success, albeit a tainted and bullet riddled success? After all, it's cool to get shot 9 or 10 times right? We have to have a movie about your life so we can see how truly criminilistic (is that a word?) you really are huh? Oh wait, lets throw some family scenes in there so it's not so bad. Biggie sold guns and dope, I don't see any movies about him. If I had any respect at all for a rapper, it would be 2pac and his writing. A true poet if I ever did hear one.

As far as rap being musically challenged, I would have to agree. The same progressing melody or riff over and over and over and over again. If there is a bass player, it's a 3 or 4 note pattern, with almost zero fills or changes throughout the entire song. Me? I like music to have some sort of progression from verse to chorus to bridge....any type of direction makes listening more enjoyable. Time changes are a plus too. I listen to music for the MUSIC, not for what some guy wants to rant about in a barely understandable ebonics laced tongue, all the while having the same repeating riff going on for 4 or 5 minutes at a time. :rollno: And don't get me wrong, I can still get down with some old WuTang or BoneThugs from back in the day. Brings back memories of course. :)

Someone mentioned the youths of today accepting this as part of a peer pressure deal. I can honestly say that because my friends listened to it that I did too, so I can attest to that as well as one other observation. I ask people why they like rap. Not trying to influence them against rap, but just a simple question with a simple answer. For girls, it's usually "He's sooooo HAWT" and for guys it's "I just like the beat and/or groove." If a girl gives me that answer, I don't even waste any more time with her. For guys, I'll start suggesting some other music with a groovin drum beat or bass line, and when they have a listen, it's always the same. "It's too complicated." This is what they'd say to something like Dreamtheater or Death or Opeth. Shoot I've even tried some Thelonius Monk and I get the same response. Given, these bands/artists are far from the rap genre and have their respective extraordinary musicians, but I think that the emergence of rap as the most popular music is inevitable in a society of dumbed-down youths, who don't have an appreciation for music that might sound different from the normal 4-4 time. It's all about simplicity IMO. Can't get too complicated or else it's sensory overload. Same reason why kids don't like jazz, it's just so different from the normal everyday crap on radio that they can't identify with the music.

Like I've said before, Rap should have been a fad like disco. But noooooooo the white kids had to start listening. I'd also like to add that I'm not taking any shots or stabs at anyone including the person I quoted above. This post is merely my observation of the topic at hand.

I'll go and hide now. :hiding:
AuG


I'm pretty sure this has been said (or atleast I hope) you've got THE most typical one sided view of rap. Open your eyes, etc...
 
cheezewiz said:
Brad, I'd say I like modern Country (you know..the poppy stuff, Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney), and modern R and B about as much as I like rap. The modern R and B (the poppy stuff...like Usher..Mariah Carey, etc) is especially sad, because I LOVE the classic stuff...Motown, Memphis, Philly, up through The Ohio Players, EWF, etc.

Understood... but do you HATE it? Whenever this topic comes up, there's no shortage of people who seem to despise Rap. I'm just wondering if people HATE say modern Country or R&B or Death Metal as much as Rap and completely dismiss the genre as having no value?

Truthfully, vapid performances are what bug me. The Star Search style performance where a singer hits a loud, long note 3/4 of the way through the song to elicit applause.

Then again, maybe they're really feeling it.

The patriotic love it or leave it stuff that's sure to sell to a target audience (again, maybe they really mean that too). Urban yodelling that's labled R&B. No doubt they're feeling that.

I'm not... but I realize that that's not the sum total of any of those genres. Take the R&B stuff for instance. Mariah? Shoot me. OTOH performers like Raphael Saddiq and Calvin Richardson bring it, old school style... when people weren't basing songs on polling and committees.

On the Country tip, you have lots of artists following formulas there too but you also have the people who aren't merely trying to fit in the same old box (BTW that box is usually where success is found). Kenny Chesney? No thanks... I'd rather listen to Allison Krause. I have no idea if her "label" would be Country or Bluegrass or Americana or Look... no tricks... I do know she's extremely talented IMO. While I could condemn Country for every guy who puts on the biggest cowboy hat he can find, instead I listen to the stuff I like.

Generally speaking...

I like music and I know it's naive but it's kind of sad knowing some musicians aren't a bit more open-minded about it. There's a long way from "I didn't really care for it" to "It's not music, it sucks". Of course in the end they're all valid opinions.
 
I'm not too fond of that new age music they play in the tunnel between the two United terminals at O'Hare.

But, I believe, if pressed, the genre I really come the closest to hating is Muzak. But, then that reveals my vintage.
 
Brad Johnson said:
Understood... but do you HATE it? Whenever this topic comes up, there's no shortage of people who seem to despise Rap.

I think this is no surprise in a musicians' forum.

So - people who have decided to learn about music, make it their trade, maybe spend many years studying and practicing their instrument, are going to be resentful to somebody who comes along and says - you don't need any of that stuff, just sample a track somebody else made and start talking over it.... :hmm:

Im not saying that's my view - just that I can understand it and it doesn't surprise me.
 
Bruce Lindfield said:
I think this is no surprise in a musicians' forum.

So - people who have decided to learn about music, make it their trade, maybe spend many years studying and practicing their instrument, are going to be resentful to somebody who comes along and says - you don't need any of that stuff, just sample a track somebody else made and start talking over it.... :hmm:

Im not saying that's my view - just that I can understand it and it doesn't surprise me.

I hereby challenge everyone on TB who thinks about rap in this way, to sample some stuff yourself, make a beat, and put a good flow over it.

Seriously, try it, you'll see that a good flow isn't just talking over a sample, it requires skill; vocabulary, rhythm, groove, etc.

It's like saying a freejazzsolo is just blowing as hard as you can on a sax while randomly closing valves.
 
marcusalan said:
+1

Usually I'm not down with the generalizations people spout off about any particular form of music, but if it's one thing I cannot stand about most popular rap and so forth, is that it usually is a single section repeated throughout. No variation... just... it keeps going. Lyrical content aside, its very empty to me.

Totally agreed.
I was lying down in my grandma’s bed the other day and I could hear a beating that repeated itself over and over and over and over:

1-2--3-4
1-2----4
1-2--3-4
1-2----4
1-2--3-4
1-2----4
1-2--3-4
1-2----4
1-2--3-4
1-2----4
1-2--3-4
1-2----4

Seriously, the entire song... I was laying there just relaxing for like 10 minutes trying to figure out *** this is, then I walked out into the living room and there was some lame rap playing on the computer.

When thought about it, most rap artists can be compared to many acoustic solo artists who know 5 guitar chords and make their own song - however I even think the guitar solo guy is more talented. To sing and to play at the same time, and coming from a writer’s point of view (mainly poetry / songs), acoustic guys just have deeper, more abstract and rhetorical lyrics.

Vorago said:
I hereby challenge everyone on TB who thinks about rap in this way, to sample some stuff yourself, make a beat, and put a good flow over it.

Seriously, try it, you'll see that a good flow isn't just talking over a sample, it requires skill; vocabulary, rhythm, groove, etc.

It's like saying a freejazzsolo is just blowing as hard as you can on a sax while randomly closing valves.

It's so incredibly easy to download or purchase any of the many music-making programs to lay down a beat. After knowing nothing about this program, I was able to lay down something very similiar (not nearly as good, I agree - but this was my FIRST one) to anything you hear from a popular rap artist. Now, I have a friend who can easily sit down and write comparable music to any rap artist without a sweat.

And about getting the 'flow'... I enjoy singing for my melodic metal band who plays only originals - I'm sure I can figure out how to come up with some easy, shallow, words with hardly any depth or emotion to them, and lay them over a track that repeats itself 30 times for 3 minutes.

I agree, if you were to expect me to pop out a rap song in a day - I couldn't do it, and frankly I wouldn't want to waste my time with that. But, if I was determined (as much as I am by doing my current style music / and bass playing), I could have songs down and recorded within weeks after starting from nothing.
 
Brad Johnson said:
Say Rap or politics or religion and it's off to the races on TB.

For everyone...

I'd seriously like to know if anyone who hates Raps hates any other genres or is Rap the only music that isn't for them?


No prob - Rap isn't the only music that I detest - off the top of my head I would include disco, elevator music, a large percentage of pop, and slow, depressing country - although uplifting country I can handle, and most other country that isn't too "cry in your beer" ish... The MAIN problems I have with Rap is that it typically glorifies criminal behaviour, drugs, the degradation of women, and is often anti-white - and usually uses "ebonics" - which is NOT english, BTW - to convey it's "message" - all the while typically displaying little to no musical talent... Besides, it's hard to argue that alot of Rap is a good influence on today's youth...



- georgestrings
 
I just read through this whole thread and I hope I don't get in trouble for this but I have to ask this question.

Are all of you guys of caucasian persuasion?????


Some of the opinions and comments on this tread made me laugh and some made me very angry. Some of you don't understand and will never ever understand because you will never be exposed to certain circumstances and lifestyles.
 
' just read through this whole thread and I hope I don't get in trouble for this but I have to ask this question.

Are all of you guys of caucasian persuasion?????


Some of the opinions and comments on this tread made me laugh and some made me very angry. Some of you don't understand and will never ever understand because you will never be exposed to certain circumstances and lifestyles.'


I am white and consider myself middle class. What exactlyis your point?
 
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