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... and the Berlin wall came tumbling down
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Well, that's way more definitive and not at all less speculative than what I posted.
And if you're correct (probably not), chock it up to "you snooze, you lose".
Haven't you heard all the campaigns over the years?
"Make your voice heard".
I want Berlin let back in also, but I think that if he were to pull a stunt again like he did yesterday, we should all do ourselves a favor and ignore the hell out of him until he straightens up!
I am a huge Jeff Berlin fan since at least 1980 and respect his ideas on education even though I have a done a very poor job of following them over the years.
What I don't like is a a man who is damn near 60 insitigating like he's 13.
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Well, that's way more definitive and not at all less speculative than what I posted.
And if you're correct (probably not), chock it up to "you snooze, you lose".
Haven't you heard all the campaigns over the years?
"Make your voice heard".
It wasn't meant to be less speculative. It was meant to be exactly as speculative - that's precisely the logical force of a counterexample.
And indeed, it may be their loss - but somehow I think they'll live.
I certainly hope so,
but will they be the better for it?
Impossible. I have the physical evidence here in this (and the other closed) thread to support my view point.
Your statement is pure speculation.
I might be off the mark here but I think it may have more to do with questioning the mods on an open forum instead of taking it up privately(which is a direct rule breaker) after receiving some firm but diplomatic warnings from Pacman. I missed what finally led to the initial ban and it came as quite a suprise but that's just my guess.
You actually know Jeff(correct me if I'm wrong) so you're probably more qualified to offer an opinion on his character, ego or whatever other assumptions people make about him. As for me, maybe I just get that he's passionate and believes in what he's talking about when dealing with the subject matter. I also can't be offended by someone who let Roddy Piper run amock in his instructional video
This is all text based so it's hard to demonstrate some points and people can't seem to look deeper into the generalizations he makes or see the point when he's actually dealing with the subject matter, which is when people take things personally. As I stated in an earlier post, I have the utmost respect for Jeff and have benefitted greatly just from his online advice(I also have an appreciation for his sense of humour and consider him to be a genuine, sincere person who's out to help people improve) but I guess that he should probably read the rules and exercise caution when venting.
Honestly, I'm probably just getting a bit too old to put up with people talking trash to me. And I've honestly never read anything by Jeff that I found that incredibly original or informative, or that I couldn't have learned from other people or sources. Maybe I just missed some choice posts, but I'm not too interested in wading though the garbage to find it. Maybe those younger and/or more patient than I are willing.
And maybe that's the answer - let him back in, and those of us who tire of him can feel free to ignore him. I'm planning on spending most of my time in the DB forums these days anyway, and I know I won't see him there ...
And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the perfect solution.
...maybe that's the answer - let him back in, and those of us who tire of him can feel free to ignore him.
Ya, I suspect we could all live with that - though I sure feel like the mods deserve a bit of an apology ...
Honestly, I'm probably just getting a bit too old to put up with people talking trash to me. And I've honestly never read anything by Jeff that I found that incredibly original or informative, or that I couldn't have learned from other people or sources. Maybe I just missed some choice posts, but I'm not too interested in wading though the garbage to find it. Maybe those younger and/or more patient than I are willing.
I suspect that DB players are less prone to the poor quality training, gimmicks and hack teachers that Jeff speaks out against, so I get why you say this. Most electric players are self-taught(more so than DB players, I'm assuming) and are initially impressionable to whatever the media feeds them, so to me, they might not necessarily be original thoughts in the bigger musical picture but many are concepts that were new to a lot of guys who have been dealing with popular and watered down methods.
That could be. And I will say, that is one of the things that I admire about Jeff - that he treats the bass guitar like a real instrument that deserves a serious academic curriculum.
Sheesh, I get too busy to check the boards for one day and I miss all the drama.
1) I admire his abilities musically.
2) For me, that musical instruction thread of his pulled together many, many disparate ideas that I had read/studied/heard about over the years in a way that made sense. I thank him for that. No one had ever done that before.
3) This isn't his sandbox, he needs to play by the rules or go elsewhere.
4) There are many things I disagreed with him on; for example just because you play a fretless, you're trying to sound like Jaco.
5) I'll actually miss him.
1) I admire his abilities musically.
2) For me, that musical instruction thread of his pulled together many, many disparate ideas that I had read/studied/heard about over the years in a way that made sense. I thank him for that. No one had ever done that before.
3) This isn't his sandbox, he needs to play by the rules or go elsewhere.
4) There are many things I disagreed with him on; for example just because you play a fretless, you're trying to sound like Jaco.
5) I'll actually miss him.
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