• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Andrew Gouche laying it DOWN!

#42
willgroove2 said:
the slow 3/4 with a triplet feel is probably a better explanation but i don't hear the 9/8 because they are playing way behind the beat and letting her push the time as she feels it.
Click to expand...

If you are having trouble hearing the 9/8, listen to the high-hat. The other parts are laying behind the beat but the high-hat is right on the beat. You will clearly hear the 9/8 pattern. Slow 3/4 with triplet feel is exactly the same as 9/8. When you count it in 9 there is a strong downbeat pulse on the 1,4,and 7 (which would be all 1's counting it as a slow 3/4.)

willgroove2 said:
theres no such thing as a 2 feel? if you play jazz you use a 2 feel often while playing the head or melody of a tune. It's also used in other genres as well so maybe your confused by what i mean by 2 feel.
Click to expand...

Yes there is a 2 feel, but this song here is certainly not using it.
 
#43
willgroove2 said:
theres no such thing as a 2 feel? if you play jazz you use a 2 feel often while playing the head or melody of a tune. It's also used in other genres as well so maybe your confused by what i mean by 2 feel.
Click to expand...

Perhaps. My understanding is that it just puts emphasis on different runs by dividing the normal single beat into two parts (quarter to eighth, etc.), and that it doesn't actually move beat one and 2 closer together and 2 and 3 further apart.
 
#50
kirkm24 said:
Would you guys say that Gouche is today's premier bass player of gospel music or do you think someone else holds that role?
Click to expand...
Well it is a matter of opinion because playing bass is not like running a 100 meters BUT Maurice Fitzgerald has made a big impact the last several years because of the amount of recordings he appears on with almost all the major gospel artist. Maurice and I cross paths occasionally and what I like about his playing is that he brings other elements into the gospel style and like any other Chicago bass player his groove is strong :smug: but theres a bunch of guy's doing great things and a lot of up and comers. One trend I see with the younger gospel set is now many of them are going to school(berklee,Bit Ect) to bone up on their theory and thats a good thing IMO
 
#51
willgroove2 said:
... theres a bunch of guy's doing great things and a lot of up and comers. One trend I see with the younger gospel set is now many of them are going to school(berklee,Bit Ect) to bone up on their theory and thats a good thing IMO
Click to expand...

I can agree with that...I don't disagree re: Maurice, given the above quote!

And theory never hurt nobody, despite childhood protestations to the contrary!
 
#52
RevGroove said:
In any given genre, including gospel music, isn't that a matter of opinion?
Click to expand...

Of course it's an opinion. That's what I was asking for. I figured a bunch of gospel/bass afficianados like yourselves would be able to provide an educated opinion. I will admit I am relatively new to the gospel scene. My church is transitioning from "contemporary" Vineyard worship to more gospel and R&B oriented music. I have been acclimating myself with a lot of different gospel material to get a feel for it.
 
#53
kirkm24 said:
Does anyone know who Fred Hammond used on his most recent album? I'm assuming Fred didn't play on that album (but maybe he did). I really liked that particular player's style on that album. Very solid groove with just a little sugar on top.
Click to expand...

[This invalid link has been removed]

Seems like Fred is on the credits for the CD. In live situations and the accompanying DVD Alan "Snoop" Evans, is playing.

 
#56
DWBass said:
Yep! Typical AG smackdown. The dude can play his butt off but he's just way too busy for my taste!
Click to expand...

I can agree at some parts. I play gospel myself and I know if I play this busy during the song the director gets upset that Im taking away from the actual purpose of the song which the words.

People focus more on me than the singers.

Same goes for drummers who cant control themselves during a song
 
#57
waytoodeep03 said:
I can agree at some parts. I play gospel myself and I know if I play this busy during the song the director gets upset that Im taking away from the actual purpose of the song which the words.

People focus more on me than the singers.

Same goes for drummers who cant control themselves during a song
Click to expand...

So the focus of worship and praise is the singers now? I guess the director doesn't understand how David playing before King Saul was able to make the evil spirits depart. Or how the temple musicians were able to prophecy with their instruments even when the singers were silent. Selah.

There has to be a balance, even inside the song; there are times when the instruments need to be the focus, and times when the vocals need to be the focus. For that matter, times when God needs to be the focus!
 
#58
God is always the focus but when a song has lyrics and the 'voices' are trying to relay that message to the masses, there shouldn't be a distraction, IMHO. Like I said previously, the bassists of the genre will defend this style of playing with the quickness. I thought the whole point of of having musicians backing vocalists were to support the message and not BE the focus. That seems self serving to me. Maybe the model of urban gospel has changed where the focus is no longer on the message bringer. I'm more of an observer these days so maybe I'm out of the loop?! But this is what I see.
 
#59
kirkm24 said:
Would you guys say that Gouche is today's premier bass player of gospel music or do you think someone else holds that role?
Click to expand...

I'd say he's up there with MANY great gospel players!

Fred Hammond is an excellent bass player in his own right, and so is Terrance Palmer. AG is awesome, very talented, and a nice guy! I have met him once before, and believe me-I was really blown away with his nice attitude and down-to-earth character.

That said, I would hope he continues to play his groove, the way he's playing it. Whatever he does..he's a great bassist!

That's my .04 cents (somebody else already put in two!) :)
 
#60
Hey guys, let's not get into theological bickering, that's sure to get this thread closed.

The MD or WL arranges the song...if the bass player is too busy, they'll tell them so...

...and in the case of Fred and Andrew and others who are MD as well as bassist...well...it's a moot point, eh? But IMO, they (and others of their ilk) play both skillfully as well as tastefully.
 

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back