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Andrew Gouche laying it DOWN!

#25
xkimsungminx said:
It's a "Performance" 6 string jazz bass. They're based out in Hollywood, CA.
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Yep, Performance. Alot of the LA session cats use Performance jazz basses. They don't have a website so it's hard to get any info. I've played one of the 5 strings though and it KILLED!
 
#26
DWBass said:
Yep! Typical AG smackdown. The dude can play his butt off but he's just way too busy for my taste!
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Understandable, but with Gospel (not Contemporary Christian - that's a separate genre) the bass has a much more active role than in most other music. A majority of the time there is no guitar, and the keyboard/organ players are mostly laying down pads. The bass player really fills in the gaps that the singer is leaving, really in a counter-melodic format. That's why I love playing Gospel - as a bass player I actually lead the sound of the band instead of just sitting in the background. It's a nice change of pace!
 
#27
willgroove2 said:
It's not,it's actually in what I like to call a "gospel 6/8" but they play in a 2 feel
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:ninja: That is most definitely in 9/8. Here is how the pulse is going....1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 with the strong downbeat hitting on 1 each time.

When you say it's 6/8 being played in a 2 feel you would have to count like this...1,2..3,4..5,6 and this type of counting is not theoretically correct as you are creating rests between the counts. You would have to count straight quarter notes or swinging eighth notes in this case with no rests in between to determine the time signature of a song.
 
#28
vision said:
Understandable, but with Gospel (not Contemporary Christian - that's a separate genre) the bass has a much more active role than in most other music. A majority of the time there is no guitar, and the keyboard/organ players are mostly laying down pads. The bass player really fills in the gaps that the singer is leaving, really in a counter-melodic format. That's why I love playing Gospel - as a bass player I actually lead the sound of the band instead of just sitting in the background. It's a nice change of pace!
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Oh definitely. I'm a sometimes gospel bassist myself and while I appreciate the modern style of the genre and it's bassists, I much prefer the older stuff and quartet style. I guess I'm telling my age. There's just a handful of bassists I would lump in that category though. I dig whoever plays for Kirk Franklin. He lays it down without overplaying.
 
#29
vision said:
He is killing it on this gospel classic by Tramaine Hawkins called Changed.

The lick he does at 3:07 just about gave me a heart attack...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JTUJ6vV2VSo
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Beautiful player.

However, musical virtuosity aside, Why people continue to proclaim that you need an extended range bass (assertions of keeping up with the extended range of the keyboard) to play gospel music is a notion that continues to elude me (ive played my share of church gigs and tent revivals ).

Ironically...all i can hear when he plays those low notes is that the bottom drops right out of the music. A big hole opens up and everything is momentarily lost . My argument is that on gospel ballads like this, those low notes actually dufus the inherent 'motion' of the tune...

I think its a matter of personal taste...but frankly I would rather hear this sort of stuff played on a P bass. Im definitely an old school kind of guy!
 
#30
vision said:
Understandable, but with Gospel (not Contemporary Christian - that's a separate genre) the bass has a much more active role than in most other music. A majority of the time there is no guitar, and the keyboard/organ players are mostly laying down pads. The bass player really fills in the gaps that the singer is leaving, really in a counter-melodic format. That's why I love playing Gospel - as a bass player I actually lead the sound of the band instead of just sitting in the background. It's a nice change of pace!
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+2
 
#31
Basseroni said:
:ninja: That is most definitely in 9/8. Here is how the pulse is going....1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 with the strong downbeat hitting on 1 each time.

When you say it's 6/8 being played in a 2 feel you would have to count like this...1,2..3,4..5,6 and this type of counting is not theoretically correct as you are creating rests between the counts. You would have to count straight quarter notes or swinging eighth notes in this case with no rests in between to determine the time signature of a song.
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Yep its 9/8, or a slow 3/4 with triplet feel depending on how you want to count it.
 
#36
willgroove2 said:
i don't hear the 9/8 because they are playing way behind the beat and letting her push the time as she feels it.
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I guess it all depends in how you count and feel it because I can hear and feel the 9/8 and I can hear the slow 3/4 as well. Even though the musicians are playing behind the beat the downbeat at 1 is pretty dominant--at least to my ear.
 
#37
kirkm24 said:
+1 These guys are all awesome players and have way better chops than I could ever hope for but I agree that sometimes people throw too much into the mix of things and get too busy. Groove should always be number 1. If the groove is flowing smooth then you can throw some stuff in but I always try to feel things out first to see where its going before I get too busy; especially in church.

Andrew Gouche is one my favorites though and then I would probably throw Fred Hammond in there followed by that guy who plays for Israel Houghton (I can't remember his name but he's a great player.)
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Terrance Palmer has played for Israel Houghton for the past few years, although, Israel's former bassist Eddie Ramirez played for the A Deeper Level live CD.

BTW, Eddie is the premier player of the group, no offense to any of the other two.
 
#38
willgroove2 said:
It's not,it's actually in what I like to call a "gospel 6/8" but they play in a 2 feel
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No it's not, there is no such thing as a 2 feel. It could be written in 9/8, although I have never seen gospel written out that way. It usually is 3/4 with triplets, if it gets written out at all. Most of the time, it's by feel, key and numbers. It's a highly interactive process that is second to none for creative stimulation.

My $0.02.
 
#40
Alaska Bass said:
No it's not, there is no such thing as a 2 feel. It could be written in 9/8, although I have never seen gospel written out that way. It usually is 3/4 with triplets, if it gets written out at all. Most of the time, it's by feel, key and numbers. It's a highly interactive process that is second to none for creative stimulation.

My $0.02.
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theres no such thing as a 2 feel? if you play jazz you use a 2 feel often while playing the head or melody of a tune. It's also used in other genres as well so maybe your confused by what i mean by 2 feel.
 

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