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Another Church players topic-Post: amplification

#242
Aviom update:

Well we practiced/setup for about 2 hours with them this afternoon. Rolling it all out for Easter Sunday, which is to be honest risky in EVERY sense of the word, but WOW are these things amazing.
If anyone has even one ounce of hesitation about using these, I'm here to tell you they're amazing. Having the ability to control everything that hits my IEMs is cool enough, plus a Bass and Treble control and a Master over the whole thing, BUT you can also use all 16 spots to create a mix PER SONG! Especially rad when you're doing an offeratory or special song where you need the piano or keys higher, and one or two BGVs as they're doing the lead vox. VERY cool, even though I haven't set it up for that tomorrow, as these just came in.

Plus they mount great, and one thing I didn't know is that you don't even need an extra wireless IEM pack if you don't have one- you just plug right into the unit! Makes sense it does that, but still. Didn't know.
I can't believe nobody thought of this 10 years ago. The concept is dead-on, and execution is nearly flawless.

The ONLY, and I do mean I'm ultra nit-picking here, is if even the Bass and Treble controls could be assigned to per input, as they only work as a Master EQ, that you could EQ PER instrument. Not that honestly it matters for monitoring purposes, but still, would be cool. :)

Other than that, flawless so far. Report will be in tomorrow!
Have a good service everyone tomorrow!
 
#244
rockstarbassist said:
Aviom update:

Well we practiced/setup for about 2 hours with them this afternoon. Rolling it all out for Easter Sunday, which is to be honest risky in EVERY sense of the word, but WOW are these things amazing.
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Aviom is indeed great, but make sure your sound man has a handle on what's being fed to them and how he controls it. When our regular sound man runs things, I get studio-mix quality. When his sub is on, the mix is terrible. Channels drop out, volume cuts in half, then doubles. Things don't get turned on, and the onstage wedges are so loud that I have to crankup the IEMs. I have complained in a nice way, but no one will fix the problem because they fear they'll offend him or simply roll out the "we're all human" excuse. True, but he is a paid human, and -- just as I am expected to know my music -- he should be expected to know his job.

One thing you will quickly notice -- if you haven't already -- is that singers using handheld mics are all over the place volumewise. It can make locking down a vocal mix very hard. But for actually hearing your bass the way it truly sounds, IEMS are great.
 
#246
mccartneyman said:
Aviom is indeed great, but make sure your sound man has a handle on what's being fed to them and how he controls it. When our regular sound man runs things, I get studio-mix quality. When his sub is on, the mix is terrible. Channels drop out, volume cuts in half, then doubles. Things don't get turned on, and the onstage wedges are so loud that I have to crankup the IEMs. I have complained in a nice way, but no one will fix the problem because they fear they'll offend him or simply roll out the "we're all human" excuse. True, but he is a paid human, and -- just as I am expected to know my music -- he should be expected to know his job.

One thing you will quickly notice -- if you haven't already -- is that singers using handheld mics are all over the place volumewise. It can make locking down a vocal mix very hard. But for actually hearing your bass the way it truly sounds, IEMS are great.
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Actually we got them for EVERYone. There's no one on stage anymore (thank God- seriously!) that has a wedge. The only amp is our worship leader's Mesa .22 and that's on an amp stand up facing back towards him, so it's heaven. I completely cut out everyone that I don't want, and our FOH guy doesn't have to mess with it.

We did have some signal issues yesterday, but we cleaned it up, and it's awesome. Our singers have different templates than we do on the Avioms, so I only even have 4 vox run through my system, which is great cause I only need one! No more of the BGV's suddenly "appearing" during a guitar/bass solo! ;)
 
#247
I think I'm looking at two problems: lack of training for the sub sound man and few channels for the monitor mix. You'd think that 16 would be plenty, but 7 are for vocals, one for choir, one for a CD feed that's seldom used, two guitars,three keys, drums and bass. That leaves no channels for brass, woodwinds and strings in the monitor mix. To five these eight players IEMS might have cost too much. So I usually run rhythm only and vocals very low. And sometimes I do'nt want to hear what the horns are playing :).
 
#248
I feel for you guys. I used to go to a church that had a full orchestra like that, and man I just hated it, mostly because I just don't care for that kind of music every Sunday, but also because there are so many instruments to balance. I'm at a much more progressive church now, doing mostly guitar driven tunes, and its much easier to get a mix. Still, two guitars, bass, keys, and perhaps an organ can cause problems for someone who doesn't know how to mix things. We just abandoned the IEM's because everything was so sterile on stage when using them. I can see how they're beneficial, especially in something that's more high church, but I'd rather not have to use them whenever possible. Only problem we have right now is a young guitar player that likes to turn up to loud. Imagine that! A guitar player that's too loud.
 
#249
mccartneyman said:
I think I'm looking at two problems: lack of training for the sub sound man and few channels for the monitor mix. You'd think that 16 would be plenty, but 7 are for vocals, one for choir, one for a CD feed that's seldom used, two guitars,three keys, drums and bass. That leaves no channels for brass, woodwinds and strings in the monitor mix. To five these eight players IEMS might have cost too much. So I usually run rhythm only and vocals very low. And sometimes I do'nt want to hear what the horns are playing :).
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Yeah I'm not 100% sure how it's setup, as I haven't gone under the main booth and checked it out, but all I know is I can hear up to 15 things through my ears, while I usually only rock main vox, his elec guitar, bass, hardly any drums (he's terrible- I can never play out b/c I have to keep the time) and I"m good to go! :)
 
#250
Eublet said:
I feel for you guys. I used to go to a church that had a full orchestra like that, and man I just hated it, mostly because I just don't care for that kind of music every Sunday, but also because there are so many instruments to balance. I'm at a much more progressive church now, doing mostly guitar driven tunes, and its much easier to get a mix. Still, two guitars, bass, keys, and perhaps an organ can cause problems for someone who doesn't know how to mix things. We just abandoned the IEM's because everything was so sterile on stage when using them. I can see how they're beneficial, especially in something that's more high church, but I'd rather not have to use them whenever possible. Only problem we have right now is a young guitar player that likes to turn up to loud. Imagine that! A guitar player that's too loud.
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Yeah definitely isn't my ideal setup, but our worship leader is an old lead guitarist who used to open up for Alabama and Clint Black and was real big into the dancehall stuff back in the early 90's/late 80's, so he knows how to make it all work. :)
 
#254
cgworkman said:
What's with the fatigues? ;)
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Maybe it was a Wednesday night service and he just got off of work, or he had some type of training at the base... Common now, give the guy a break after all he is the bass player mind you, I bet he had a very good reason of being in his computer camo. I live in a town that has a very large air force base, and we have a lot of members that come in with there uniforms on... granted they might not play any instruments or sing but I do not see a problem with it. :D

Peace,
 
#256
Bigoo7e said:
Maybe it was a Wednesday night service and he just got off of work, or he had some type of training at the base... Common now, give the guy a break after all he is the bass player mind you, I bet he had a very good reason of being in his computer camo. I live in a town that has a very large air force base, and we have a lot of members that come in with there uniforms on... granted they might not play any instruments or sing but I do not see a problem with it. :D

Peace,
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+1, yeah like what's with all those guys wearing suits and ties? What' s with that? Weird.
 
#257
Hawkeye said:
+1, yeah like what's with all those guys wearing suits and ties? What' s with that? Weird.
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Oh man, that's more the way I think. I never understood the whole dress-up for church thing (although I respect those who do so), even though I grew up in such an environment while living at home. I play on stage every week at my church. Sometimes I have on slacks, but usually it's jeans, and in the really hot months I wear shorts and flip-flops. But never a coat and tie.

Personally, I like the fatigues. It would look even cooler if you had some grenades strapped around your waist or something!
 
#258
Bigoo7e said:
Any other TBers use a U5 in church or have any simlar setup? Please share I like to hear what others are doing and using...
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Yeah, I use an Avalon U5 at my church. I send a DI from it to the main board. Our sound guy usually puts some compression on it before sending it to the mains.
I play with the EQ set flat. I want to get a rackmount EQ, but I haven't really had any problems. I was using my SVT-2 PRO before this, and liked being able to use the graphic EQ it had, but it developed a hissing problem (ground) that needs to get fixed, so it's out of commision for the time-being.
Currently I'm running one output of the Avalon into a QSC PLX-1804 poweramp and using one channel of that to drive an Accugroove "El Whappo" cabinet. I don't really need the cabinet, or any monitor most of the time, but I guess it just helps me feel comfortable. The mains at our church are a pair of powered Mackies that sound beautiful, plus there is a third that is time-delayed and aimed at the balcony. There's also a huge sub mounted in the corner opposite from me. Usually, I can hear myself in the mains well enough to play.
Sometimes I'll play contrabass (my Cirrus is tuned F#​BEAD) and I find the El Whappo a bit lacking. I have a Whappo Grande, but I don't want to use just it, because I lose my highs, and I don't want to use both because it's just monstrous - overkill for a church setting (like ours, anyway).
Okay, well that's all I got for now, unless you have any questions about any of that.
 
#259
cgworkman said:
It was an innocent question. Didn't you see the ;) . You telling me to give him a break was more of an insult than my question.

:rolleyes:
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Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

:hiding:

I just noticed the little face now myself, I do apologize for jumping on my soap box... Next time I will be less type-e and more read-e. :D

Peace,
 
#260
Eublet said:
Oh man, that's more the way I think. I never understood the whole dress-up for church thing (although I respect those who do so), even though I grew up in such an environment while living at home. I play on stage every week at my church. Sometimes I have on slacks, but usually it's jeans, and in the really hot months I wear shorts and flip-flops. But never a coat and tie.

Personally, I like the fatigues. It would look even cooler if you had some grenades strapped around your waist or something!
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Praise the lord, pass the ammunition! :hiding:

LOL!!!

Peace,
 

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