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Another Church players topic-Post: amplification

#101
Heres my Aguilar Combo !
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#103
Brad Johnson said:
What rig might that be? I'm curious as to what rig couldn't be turned down. Seriously.


I've gigged with a QSC PLX 3002/Yamaha PB1 rig and it wasn't too loud... because I controlled my volume.

And I always kept the volume up on my bass guitar. I like the tone that way:D
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I had a GK 700-aguilar gs112, really this battle with the sound guy is driving me nuts.because to him anything larger than a 25watt combo is to much.My comprimize is to DI straight from my passive MIA jazz no cab just sharing a wedge monitor with keyboard.1st service went fine different sound guy, 2nd service add a leadgutiar and new sound guy, 1/2 way through 2nd song he cut me not only out of the PA but also out the monitor. I played the last 3 songs without hearing myself at all :( this is in a church that averages 150-200 souls per service in a huge retangular buliding.
 
#104
peter G said:
I had a GK 700-aguilar gs112, really this battle with the sound guy is driving me nuts.because to him anything larger than a 25watt combo is to much... I played the last 3 songs without hearing myself at all :( this is in a church that averages 150-200 souls per service in a huge retangular buliding.
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Peter, have you tried a parallel direct box between your bass and amp, and only using your amp as a monitor? I was in the same boat as you for awhile and I never could get enough of me out of the one monitor I was in for the drummer and I. I now use my littler 60 watt combo for my monitor, and send a direct to the house. They still have to boost me, not as much, but enough that they still control my sound level.

Dave
 
#105
pocketmonster said:
All four bassists at my church play through a Crate 1x15 and run into the PA. I think using a 1x15 for this purpose doesn't make much sense. We are using that on-stage cabinet essentially as a monitor for the bassist, drummer, and others nearby. Yet, a 15" is not all that defined and tends to throw its sound out a ways. I am going to try a few different cabinets, starting with a 3x10" to see if we cannot get a more local and articulate sound to synch things up a little tighter.

I work closely with our sound tech, and he is very open to trying new things. We are slowly migrating toward concert quality sound in many ways, not with a large budget but by doing the best with what we have and adding gear to target specific problem areas. Our latest purchase was a JBL SRX718S subwoofer to get more kick drum and bass in the mix. :) :bassist:

The comments on in-ears are interesting. We tried them a few years back and most of us hated them. I am starting to think you either go high end on these things or not go at all. Surely all these touring pros are having a better experience with them than we had.
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I have the same issue. I'm pretty much the only bass player these days. We have another guy but he only plays about every six weeks. He uses my amp and pedal board when he plays.

I'm currently using a Peavey Combo 115 and it gives us fits on sound so I have been using it with a TVX 210 cabinet and we can control the sound a little better. It looks like total over kill next to the 65 watt guitar amps.

Our sound techs are newbies and don't have a clue what to do most of the time so myself and our drummer have to help direct sound from the stage. It's a pain.

We tried IEM's a couple of years ago and I hated them too. We used HEAR units and they weren't wireless. Pain in the butt. The way to go is high end wireless. Anything else isn't worth the trouble. It was a total waste of money.
 
#106
naja said:
Peter, have you tried a parallel direct box between your bass and amp, and only using your amp as a monitor? I was in the same boat as you for awhile and I never could get enough of me out of the one monitor I was in for the drummer and I. I now use my littler 60 watt combo for my monitor, and send a direct to the house. They still have to boost me, not as much, but enough that they still control my sound level.

Dave
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I'm going to try this with my little Crate,I just got tired of lugging gear so that's why I agreed to go DI. MOM wants everyone to DI into PA and has dropped his acoustianic amp, now it's just the lead guy with his 30amp zoom that he mics.What I'd really like is a seperate monitor channel that I could mix my way and use headphones.but our rig is portable and is too small for that or so I'm told.
 
#109
I've been doing a regular contemporary worship service for nearly 16 years and Ive done the DI into the PA or the combo amp thing (sometimes both at once).I now mainly use an amp
in order to have control over my sound as I'm weary of having to deal with 'sound techs' who are long on enthusiasm but have tin ears and nothing in the way of real world professional experience.I get by with a 50 watt single 12" combo and I keep a Sansamp DI in my gig bag and for the size of our worship room this is just fine.
 
#111
At my church we normally play in a fairly small 250 person room, but about half a dozen times a year we play in a room that seats 1000 or more and sometimes we also play outside.

For the normal (small) setup I use the church's Hartke... all the other band members run through the house, but not the bass. At times it seems like it would be nice to run (at least partially) through the house. I've been thinking about miking the bass to give the house some control. What do you think?

At the larger venues I use my WalkAbout through 2 GS112's and DI out to the board. This setup sounds VERY nice.

My bass is a Carvin 5 string fretless... I really love the tone this bass creates. Right now I'm trying to figure out financing on a hybrid upright!
 
#113
pocketmonster said:
The comments on in-ears are interesting. We tried them a few years back and most of us hated them. I am starting to think you either go high end on these things or not go at all. Surely all these touring pros are having a better experience with them than we had.
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The church I'm at used a cheesy implementation of IEM a few years ago, single mix with crummy earbuds. It apparently traumatized all involved, and nobody is too interested in them at this point.

However, I played through an AVIOM system at my brother's church, and it is great! Make your own mix, bring whatever headphones you like.

So I would agree with you, go high end or not at all.
 
#114
srxplayer said:
I'm currently using a Peavey Combo 115 and it gives us fits on sound so I have been using it with a TVX 210 cabinet and we can control the sound a little better. It looks like total over kill next to the 65 watt guitar amps.
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I used to play through a TNT 115. It was indestructable as far as I can tell, but I can't find any other accolades to throw at it.

My first experiment with the 3x10" cab this morning (Epi UL-310) was a complete success. Per our head sound guy, best bass he has ever heard in the room (clear, deep, tight), and I had an easy time listening to it from close proximity too. Three people oblivious to gear came up to say how good my playing sounded. I guess that is the ultimate compliment for new gear.
 
#115
StreamerDavid said:
I play for one of the biggest churches in Oklahoma City. They don't allow amplification on stage. The guitarists have amps off stage miked. The drummer is in a cage.

My rig is my bass, a DI, and headphones from an Aviom personal mixer. I usually use the church's DI which is a Groove Tubes DI, an average one. They run me through a Yamaha mic preamp.
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Having played large houses of worship myself this is what I prefer & what I'm accustomed to. In a church situation a direct box actually sounds better than an amp.

The Aviom is the best personal monitor I've ever seen. It keeps the band from having to communicate w/the soundman.

It also keeps you from requesting to have a "defensitive" volunteer guitarist or left hand fumbling keyboardist out of your mix because they are ruining your worship experience & the groove w/their timidness & ill preparedness of that weeks worship songs.

When I play in a setting w/ amps & monitors w/volunteers who are unprepared to deliver it confidently, I feel like I have to add a "but you sound great" disclaimer after requesting to have them eliminated from my mix completely.
 
#116
Afer trying a lot of stuff, I am now using an Acoustic Image Focus 2R into a Bergantino Ex112 and using the DI on the Focus to get into the house. This little rig gets plenty loud enough without too much low end to muddy the mix out front and gives me two independent input channels and one line out. Since I run my EQ pretty flat (a little treble cut and a little high pass filter), I run the DI post-EQ.
 
#117
Joe Smithberger said:
Afer trying a lot of stuff, I am now using an Acoustic Image Focus 2R into a Bergantino Ex112 and using the DI on the Focus to get into the house. This little rig gets plenty loud enough without too much low end to muddy the mix out front and gives me two independent input channels and one line out. Since I run my EQ pretty flat (a little treble cut and a little high pass filter), I run the DI post-EQ.
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I was all set to buy the AI clarus,I thought It would fit the bill perfactly.
But in the back of my mind I wanted
"that tube sound" so instead I went with a tube head for home and jams and DI at church now I have to make it work.
 
#118
I usually use the church's old Roland Keyboard amp (15", 150 watt). I plug my bass into my Sadowsky DI and take the XLR out to the mixer and the 1/4" out to the Roland. For Easter and Crhistmas shows I use my Ampeg B4R head with a 12" cab because my 410HLF wont fit on stage.
 
#119
I very recently had trouble hearing myself in the mix (sharing a monitor with 3 vocalists), and consequently stopped playing my fretless because of intonation concerns. I've since begun plugging into my church's yamaha sound system through a programmable sansamp, with a parallel output going to my 35Watt Ibanez practice amp. I still hear the monitor mix fine and find that the practice amp on the the amp stand (at a volume setting of 4-5) supplements the monitor to a point where I can again play fretless. We had to point the amp in several different directions before finding an orientation for my supplemental mix that didn't encroach into the vocalists' area, but everyone is happy with their mixes now.

The practice amp isn't ideal in terms of accurately reproducing my tone, but I have found that I can generally work that out ahead of the worship service.
 
#120
At my church we all do the in-ear thing. We all just bring our own headphones and plug into the Rolls in-ear systems and i run my bass through a Behringer DI for now. We have a Tannoy sound system with some pretty good subs so we get a good bass sound out in the house while i get all i need in my headphones. It's perfect IMO. And now i don't have to use my church's beat up old Hartke amp...that thing fell apart every time i played it
 

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