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Another Church players topic-Post: amplification
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I use my wariwck rig , warwick tubepath into a 2x10 cab , Don't bother with the 1x15 as it makes thing too loud!! we only have a little church! I just use a foldback monitor to hear myself.
My church isn't very big - larger than average Welsh Methodist chapel, seating about 300 - so my Roland Bass Cube 100 does the job nicely. I play an Ibanez Soundgear SR300DX bass through it.
I'm looking for something bigger and meatier for my secular band - thinking about a Behringer Ultrabass BX4410 450w combo, but can't find enough reviews on it to make a decision. If it fits the bill I'd probably use that one in church too.
I'm looking for something bigger and meatier for my secular band - thinking about a Behringer Ultrabass BX4410 450w combo, but can't find enough reviews on it to make a decision. If it fits the bill I'd probably use that one in church too.
You're probably better off grabbing the Behr 450W head and a decent used 410 cab. That way, if you decide to upgrade, you can just upgrade the amp.Spook_57 said:
Btw, the Behr "450W" is roughly equal to 300W as far as real world volume. My sister picked up the "300W" Behr, and we hit the ceiling on that fairly often. Your best bet might be to pick up a used Peavey head or something.
I currently use a Peavey 210TVX and a GK Backline 600 with a line out to the house system. Occassionally I bring out my Avatar B210 for added funk.
Ive switched to using an Ampeg SVT-3 with the DI set to pre, and we mic my Epifani T-212D. Sounds wonderful. Who needs FOH?
rockstarbassist
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Disco_Gee said:
One usually not well-taken, from my experience...
I just recently started playing again regularly at church, but since then they'd implemented IEMs to all of the musicians-
lead vox/guitar, bass, keyboard and drums.
We have on stage normally 5-7 BGV-singers on stage right, with lead vox/guitar, 1-2 violins, 1-2 acoustics, bass, electronic drums, keys, piano, french horn and another BGV on stage left.
They went this route b/c people complained the music was too loud.
Lead guitar has an old Mesa .22 Studio that's on an amp stand to his right, facing up towards him so nothing ever goes out front, and is mic'd. 1 violin is electric and the other is mic'd, and they both stand to my right. Electric drums on my left, with BGV , keys and piano and french horn and 1-2 acoustics to my front-left.
Needless to say, it's kinda packed.
I have a Fender Rumble 12" amp on stage, but they don't let me turn it on anymore-
needless to say ZERO bass comes through FOH. We don't really have a "soundman" per se, just someone who turns on the board, kind of adjusts stuff and 2 people to run the projector. It's a pretty good sized auditorium.
My IEM mix is usually decent, but I play a lot of great licks and stuff, as most chord-charted music is easy to do that with, lots of slides stops improvs, etc.., but yeah none of it ever comes out.
We're supposed to be getting a soundguy soon but it's just so dumb.
They kill the bass in FOH, then add 3-4 vox and 2 violins AND a horn, so everytime it gets really loud (and the vox are ALWAYS too loud), it's always assumed me, of course...
Tonight during practice though we're taking an extra hour to do a real soundcheck, cause I told them I'm quitting if I'm not even piped through.
I have friends and family and co-workers that are either members or regularly visit, and they always say they can't hear a note, even during invitation when it's normally just me and lead vox/guitar (but he switches to acoustic) so I do lots of chords and fills and in the monitors it sounds killer- just zero FOH.
I hate it.
I didn't read everything in the thread but get the drift.
Uhhh... does it matter? At the end of the day, is the listener listening in such a fashion as to distinguish between nuances of articulation and tone of the bass? personally I don't think so. I sweat it, but no one else does. far more important to be so well-rehearsed that the whole team can interact 'on the fly' with some liberty. I have observed over the years that when the team leaders, the members, the A/V booth guy or worst of all, the pastor, get too a_ _ l about sound stuff, you're already in the trouble zone. time to clean house & hearts and go minimalist. my whole family does this stuff, some for a living, so I have a little experience
Uhhh... does it matter? At the end of the day, is the listener listening in such a fashion as to distinguish between nuances of articulation and tone of the bass? personally I don't think so. I sweat it, but no one else does. far more important to be so well-rehearsed that the whole team can interact 'on the fly' with some liberty. I have observed over the years that when the team leaders, the members, the A/V booth guy or worst of all, the pastor, get too a_ _ l about sound stuff, you're already in the trouble zone. time to clean house & hearts and go minimalist. my whole family does this stuff, some for a living, so I have a little experience
It's really an audience of one. Helps to have the sound right - whatever works for you - so that doesn't get in the way of bringing it with excellence.
At my church we have a Carvin RL1000 head and an Ampeg 410 cab. I don't know which model the Ampeg is. It's a good sounding rig in a tricky room acoustically. We run a direct line out of the Carvin head, but most of the bass volume comes from the bass rig not the PA subs out on the floor.
Hi,
Re: monitoring-- I think I posted this a while back in this thread but at this point I can't be sure, and I'm too lazy to try to sort it out!
We used stage monitors for years and the result was MUD!
We used IEM's for about a year with mixed results. Some musicians (me included!) felt a certain sense of isolation. On the plus side, it did clean up the overall sound though and you could hear yourself.
Then we got Bose PAS's. For our situation (300-400 ppl avg, medium/low volume) they really excel. We use only two (1 bass module on the first and 2 bass modules on the second) and the units are placed behind us on the stage.
All mics and insturments go DI to the FOH and then the mix back to the inputs on the 2 PAS's.
We can all hear ourselves as well as the entire mix and, of course, it is the same sound that the FOH gets. We never sounded better!
Re: monitoring-- I think I posted this a while back in this thread but at this point I can't be sure, and I'm too lazy to try to sort it out!
We used stage monitors for years and the result was MUD!
We used IEM's for about a year with mixed results. Some musicians (me included!) felt a certain sense of isolation. On the plus side, it did clean up the overall sound though and you could hear yourself.
Then we got Bose PAS's. For our situation (300-400 ppl avg, medium/low volume) they really excel. We use only two (1 bass module on the first and 2 bass modules on the second) and the units are placed behind us on the stage.
All mics and insturments go DI to the FOH and then the mix back to the inputs on the 2 PAS's.
We can all hear ourselves as well as the entire mix and, of course, it is the same sound that the FOH gets. We never sounded better!
Dkerwood said:
Yep that's what we do (I may not have been clear in what I wrote). The PAS's sit behind us, and they are the only sound source in the sanctuary now (we elimintaed the FOH amps and speakers-- a ceiling mounted horn array and 18" sub). There is no need for monitors since we hear the same source as the congregation.
You're right about being enough. We have the main vol controls on the PAS's set at about 30 to 40%! Any higher, and we get too loud!
Our church was in a storefront with 2 services and they had a Fender Runble 100 watt for me to play thru. I must say that I am a fomer guitar player who finally decided that I was really just a bass player. I have now fallen in love with the low end.
We moved into a new facility, a much larger building and I just bought a Line 6 Low Down 150 combo. This thing is never more than half way cranked and sometimes they don't even put it through the mains. It has effects a plenty with bass amp cab models and our Pastor leads worship and is enthralled with it. There is such a better sound compared to that Fender Rumble. I didn't realize how much that thing was a piece of garbage. Our facility seats about 200+ and the line 6 is perfect. XLR out or just by itslef, I am very happy. The Line 6 is supposed to sound like a miked cab through the XLR. Our sound guys keep on telling me how good it sounds.
BTW our speakers are all JBL with a killer Yamaha board. Our sound guys, all 4 of them are par exellent! Believe me, when we ocasionally play at another church with a bad controlling, doesn't know what he is doing and won't take direction sound man, it is a big difference.
Right now, even Darwin is convinced!
We moved into a new facility, a much larger building and I just bought a Line 6 Low Down 150 combo. This thing is never more than half way cranked and sometimes they don't even put it through the mains. It has effects a plenty with bass amp cab models and our Pastor leads worship and is enthralled with it. There is such a better sound compared to that Fender Rumble. I didn't realize how much that thing was a piece of garbage. Our facility seats about 200+ and the line 6 is perfect. XLR out or just by itslef, I am very happy. The Line 6 is supposed to sound like a miked cab through the XLR. Our sound guys keep on telling me how good it sounds.
BTW our speakers are all JBL with a killer Yamaha board. Our sound guys, all 4 of them are par exellent! Believe me, when we ocasionally play at another church with a bad controlling, doesn't know what he is doing and won't take direction sound man, it is a big difference.
Right now, even Darwin is convinced!
Hawkeye
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rockstarbassist
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Whadda ya mean "Just a bass player" !!
Once a guitarist, always a guitarist.
+1.
Btw, I just ordered a set of Westone UM2's w/ the UM56 custom ear sleeves b/c I couldn't stand the stock earbuds anymore.
Hope it helps!
We go direct (except for the lead guitarist who uses a Marshall to get the tube sound)...we tried my old Peavey TKO75 but people in Bible study were complaining about the rumble (the classrooms are right across from the sanctuary)...I just got a Hartke VX2510 and want to try it out...can dial out the "boom"....it does sound sweet and the others are open to trying it....
would love to try the inner ear monitors...we use wedges which are fairly efficient (newer models), but I think the inner ear monitors would allow me to better click in with the drummer (who uses electric drums)....
I agree that worrying about the sound is secondary, but we do want to make sure that we sound good....don't want the singers gettin' all of the credit!
would love to try the inner ear monitors...we use wedges which are fairly efficient (newer models), but I think the inner ear monitors would allow me to better click in with the drummer (who uses electric drums)....
I agree that worrying about the sound is secondary, but we do want to make sure that we sound good....don't want the singers gettin' all of the credit!
rockstarbassist
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We go direct (except for the lead guitarist who uses a Marshall to get the tube sound)...we tried my old Peavey TKO75 but people in Bible study were complaining about the rumble (the classrooms are right across from the sanctuary)...I just got a Hartke VX2510 and want to try it out...can dial out the "boom"....it does sound sweet and the others are open to trying it....
would love to try the inner ear monitors...we use wedges which are fairly efficient (newer models), but I think the inner ear monitors would allow me to better click in with the drummer (who uses electric drums)....
I agree that worrying about the sound is secondary, but we do want to make sure that we sound good....don't want the singers gettin' all of the credit!
Yeah, well this was the thought when my church did it while I was on hiatus.
It's been a nightmare and fight to the death every Sunday AM since.
Unless you have someone back in the booth who's a REALLY, really good monitor engineer, who could possibly switch over to IEMs, good luck- and I mean it.
They cut the bass and drums almost completely from FOH and the wedges, but then bump the horns and vox like +15-20 db, so it's just as loud on stage, with no thump.
It's pretty awful.
We're in the process of hiring someone right now though. There's no reason why someone who tours and plays 275 shows a year can deal with IEMs, esp. after setting up and tearing down nightly, who can't find a setting and keep it, with a NICE system that doesn't move.
I go Yamaha BBT210S powered by a Yamaha BT500H as my onstage monitor. I use the line-out pre-EQ so the guy on the desk gets the raw signal and can do what he needs to do with it. I stack the 2x10 vertically at about waist level so I can keep the volume at a level where I can hear it and it adds depth to what everyone else is hearing.
When I really think about it, I'm just glad that I have the opportunity to be involved in what God is doing. I'm a Christian first and a bass player second- If the music helps people worship Him, I'm happy to be involved.
EDIT: We're a small, young church (about 60 people)- i don't need much, but the 210 rounds out what comes through the PA nicely.
When I really think about it, I'm just glad that I have the opportunity to be involved in what God is doing. I'm a Christian first and a bass player second- If the music helps people worship Him, I'm happy to be involved.
EDIT: We're a small, young church (about 60 people)- i don't need much, but the 210 rounds out what comes through the PA nicely.
My church has a very small congregation... like maybe 125 per service/250 a Sunday - and growing. Cool thing about using a small space is that we are full almost every Sunday.
I use either my Mesa Walkabout Scout or an Ashdown AMP 300 into a Berg HT112. Either one is way louder than I'll need until we move into a larger space.
Merry Christmas
Toby
I use either my Mesa Walkabout Scout or an Ashdown AMP 300 into a Berg HT112. Either one is way louder than I'll need until we move into a larger space.
Merry Christmas
Toby
