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another GC experience to forget

I used to hit the Hollywood GC almost every Saturday, but that was back in the days when there were literally a dozen little indie shops in the couple of blocks around GC; 3 or 4 shops on Gardner, a few on Sunset west of Gardner and a few on Sunset east of Gardner. Now there is GC, Sam Ash and Mesa Boogie - even Carvin has closed!!! Carvin who existed long before GC was even a concept. (anyone know if Carvin has just given up the physical store, or did they move?) Not a single indie shop! so my trips down there are few and far between - I only go when I actually need something. the days of going to Sunset and Gardner as the start of a perfect Saturday are long gone.

But today GC was even worse than usual. I was surpirised to see a very impressive quantity of Fender combo amps: two dozen + tweeds, more than a dozen blackface / silverface combos, and exactly zero heads / cabs!!!. I asked the head guy in the vintage section and he rambled on with some nonsense about how no one wants separates or that no one sells heads and/or cabs separately. When I said that I was looking for a Showman, Bassman 100 or Bassman 135 for bass use, he told me that those are not suitable for bass use as they only have 40 or 50 watts. (this is the head guy of the Hollywood store's vintage dept.). He logged on to the overall database of all GC stores and started to show me blackface Bassman heads. I explained that I wanted more powerful amps, either Showman or the later, larger Bassman 100 or 135 models. So he showed me a page of silverface 50 watt Bassman heads. We went around a few more times until he finally found a 1964 Showman, but it was a complete head and cab at a silly price. I explained that I was only looking for a head, not a complete head/cab, especially when the head/cab was a priced a a premium (for a matching set). At which point he went back to the earlier statement that "no one wants separates or that no one sells heads and/or cabs separately."

I left soon after, but one thing sticks in my mind - the flagship GC store had 25+ tweed combos, another 15+ black/silver face combos and not a SINGLE head/cab - either a matching set or any separates. That was my main question to the GC rep, and I could see that it went right over his head, he saw nothing weird with that situation. Am I crazy, or is that not the way it used to be? I remember heads, particularly the less "in-demand" heads like Bandmasters, Tremolux, etc. piled to the ceiling, while every Deluxe or Pro Reverb was sold as soon as it hit the floor. What happened? And even if market forces have changed, why does the vintage room at Hollywood GC have nearly 50 combos on the floor and NOT A SINGLE HEAD or CAB? Not one!

edit - i should mention one very cool item in the vintage section - e late 50's / very early 60s Ampeg Acordiamp. According to the Ampeg book , this came in three varieties and the version at GC only said Accordiamp, no other name. But it had a 1-15 and what looked like 2-6L6 tubes, but I was leaning over upside down with my head against the wall, so I'm not too sure about what was inside the cab/chassis. But the amp is super clean / mint and they are asking $8-something. It has the original 50s style artsy grill cloth, and two channels with tremolo. And unlike a lot of older Ampegs, the white lettering on the faceplate is like new. If it sounds even 1/2 as nice as it looks, its a bargain.
 
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No Super Bassman or 100T either?
What about the new Rumble amps?

Sad state. My local stores -none are of a chain store variety- must be old school. There's one with a SVT-CL & 610HLF & a few Ampeg combos. Couple of Ashdown heads a 410ABM . Another store has one. .. ONE older Peavey Tour 700 I think it is. I'm pretty sure it's been there for 10 yrs nearly. :roflmao: Plus a few of the newer Fender Rumble combos.
The other local has a couple Mark Bass heads and maybe 1 cab. A Warwick LWA1000 & WARWICK 410
& a few 2nd hand Hartke cabs.
That's it.
Hence me buying untried off the net. :banghead:
 
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No Super Bassman or 100T either?
What about the new Rumble amps?

No, this was the 'vintage' section of the store, only old amps.

Sad state. My local stores -none are of a chain store variety- must be old school. There's one with a SVT-CL & 610HLF & a few Ampeg combos. Couple of Ashdown heads a 410ABM . Another store has one. .. ONE older Peavey Tour 700 I think it is. I'm pretty sure it's been there for 10 yrs nearly. :roflmao: Plus a few of the newer Fender Rumble combos.
The other local has a couple Mark Bass heads and maybe 1 cab. A Warwick LWA1000 & WARWICK 410
& a few 2nd hand Hartke cabs.
That's it.
Hence me buying untried off the net. :banghead:
 
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What the "manager" meant is that he didn't have any in stock. Where do you suppose all the ones Fender produces go?
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You should try my area, the only local music store stocks one bass and no amps (it is actually a decent size store, if you play guitar or keyboard). If you ask for any item, you need to py 50% up front, then they order it from the internet and add a % to the price.

As for used... I won't even bother to explain!
 
I used to hit the Hollywood GC almost every Saturday, but that was back in the days when there were literally a dozen little indie shops in the couple of blocks around GC; 3 or 4 shops on Gardner, a few on Sunset west of Gardner and a few on Sunset east of Gardner. Now there is GC, Sam Ash and Mesa Boogie - even Carvin has closed!!! Carvin who existed long before GC was even a concept. (anyone know if Carvin has just given up the physical store, or did they move?) Not a single indie shop! so my trips down there are few and far between - I only go when I actually need something. the days of going to Sunset and Gardner as the start of a perfect Saturday are long gone.

But today GC was even worse than usual. I was surpirised to see a very impressive quantity of Fender combo amps: two dozen + tweeds, more than a dozen blackface / silverface combos, and exactly zero heads / cabs!!!. I asked the head guy in the vintage section and he rambled on with some nonsense about how no one wants separates or that no one sells heads and/or cabs separately. When I said that I was looking for a Showman, Bassman 100 or Bassman 135 for bass use, he told me that those are not suitable for bass use as they only have 40 or 50 watts. (this is the head guy of the Hollywood store's vintage dept.). He logged on to the overall database of all GC stores and started to show me blackface Bassman heads. I explained that I wanted more powerful amps, either Showman or the later, larger Bassman 100 or 135 models. So he showed me a page of silverface 50 watt Bassman heads. We went around a few more times until he finally found a 1964 Showman, but it was a complete head and cab at a silly price. I explained that I was only looking for a head, not a complete head/cab, especially when the head/cab was a priced a a premium (for a matching set). At which point he went back to the earlier statement that "no one wants separates or that no one sells heads and/or cabs separately."

I left soon after, but one thing sticks in my mind - the flagship GC store had 25+ tweed combos, another 15+ black/silver face combos and not a SINGLE head/cab - either a matching set or any separates. That was my main question to the GC rep, and I could see that it went right over his head, he saw nothing weird with that situation. Am I crazy, or is that not the way it used to be? I remember heads, particularly the less "in-demand" heads like Bandmasters, Tremolux, etc. piled to the ceiling, while every Deluxe or Pro Reverb was sold as soon as it hit the floor. What happened? And even if market forces have changed, why does the vintage room at Hollywood GC have nearly 50 combos on the floor and NOT A SINGLE HEAD or CAB? Not one!

edit - i should mention one very cool item in the vintage section - e late 50's / very early 60s Ampeg Acordiamp. According to the Ampeg book , this came in three varieties and the version at GC only said Accordiamp, no other name. But it had a 1-15 and what looked like 2-6L6 tubes, but I was leaning over upside down with my head against the wall, so I'm not too sure about what was inside the cab/chassis. But the amp is super clean / mint and they are asking $8-something. It has the original 50s style artsy grill cloth, and two channels with tremolo. And unlike a lot of older Ampegs, the white lettering on the faceplate is like new. If it sounds even 1/2 as nice as it looks, its a bargain.

Yeah, guitar-row ain't what it used to be. 20 years ago, that was like disneyland. Now? feh.
 
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GC rarely impresses me. Actually, there aren't many places that do. I was in Minneapolis/St. Paul last weekend and I didn't go anywhere. Even in a big city like that there really isn't anywhere I want to go. All people have is LTD, Squier, Fender, maybe some MM or Warwick...nothing I really am interested in. There is a place that has some vintage Fenders, and another that has "high end" stuff but other than that, not much - at least that I'm aware of.

Or maybe it just means I am (finally) happy with my gear. A couple Roscoe's, a nice IEM rig (JDI and Westone UM-2's) and a nice little combo (GB Shuttle 3.0-10T/10T Extension cab) for practice and small gigs.
 
what is sad ;;IF the Rumble v3 200 would of been at my local GC i would of just walked in and slid the card and walked out with it(after pounding the salesman oopssss teenager with no personality) for money off...so i wait 3 months..my heart was set on one...well i am glad GC blew it..CL had a post i caught first as soon as it went on for $550 a used 3 times Ampeg portraflex pf500 head and cab ... i had cash and offered $ 400 i and got it right out of the box for $400 ..!!..a kid got it and quit bass !!I am a Fender guy since like forever and NOW i am AMPEG ...why ? i have a tone strait out the amp that is incredible to me...got a growl and bite and can be nice and clean too, i would not let GC rep my products if they dont stock em and have salesman...how can a major retailer keep ignorning all the neg feedback and still go on...i am self employed and to get paid i got to live up to the hype...dont get it....I go in store and all i see is a few crappy combo's....in fact all i really go for is to jam on some used gear...GC you blew a Fender purchase with me...wanted to go head and 2 cabs...and was a real buyer...but thanks again !!! I love my Ampeg more !!
 
Sadly good music stores and record stores we old timers are used to are a thing of the past. I went to the GC in Jacksonville, FL 2 Christmas's ago and got my daughter a Squier Bronco bass and amp for like a buck and a half but there wasn't anything in their "bass room" I would buy for myself. Lots of starter basses which is fine but not what I'm used to. I lived in Houston for like 40 years and going to Evan's music city was like going to Disneyland in the day! It looked like they had a decent guitar section but I didn't look at it.
 
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I think what is frustrating alot of people is,,,you see it online being advertised but when you go to your local store..you can not try any out cause its never in stock...being in sales ...i would have em all lined up in order and leave 1 demo of each on the floor so people can try em and then you sell off that one...grab their money and have it ordered in...it makes no sense to not carry a product to try and at least let people play so they can order it in...
 
I think what is frustrating alot of people is,,,you see it online being advertised but when you go to your local store..you can not try any out cause its never in stock...being in sales ...i would have em all lined up in order and leave 1 demo of each on the floo so people can try em and then you sell off that one...grab their money and have it ordered in...it makes no sense to not carry a product to try and at least let people play so they can order it in...

Huh...........the OP is talking about vintage used gear............