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Anybody else going all software?

Yeah I have that nifty little plugin as well and it should do what you need it to. MIDI routing in Logic can be a pain but that definitely helps things.

In other news, have you any of you guys tried IK Multimedia's Ampeg SVX? The bassist for my band in high school played an SVT-4, and when I fired up the plugin, it took me way back to our little basement practice space in a fantastic way. The tube emulations are definitely good, though I found myself preferring the B-15 to the SVT classic. But the solid state "SVT-4" is awesome!

I've had this little riff and chord progression for a while now but have never been able to quite make them sound right or work them into a track. The SVT-4 has a really characteristic sound to if you use the compressor and the limiter or fairly liberal settings. It's a very Daft Punk kind of sound.

For this, I just shelved the sub lows and recorded a couple quick takes while I played along with the loop that I'd made previously. I chopped it up a little at the beginning while I was experimenting with structure for the track.. blah blah blah... but check out this 5-minute bass tone man!

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The SVT-4 is the only sound I ever liked in Ampeg SVX, but I thought it was good. I've heard their Fender series is much better overall, though obviously not an Ampeg sound. Supposedly next month they're releasing Amplitube 3 which will bring it closer to what Guitar Rig currently offers in overall features, but using the dynamic processing found in their Fender product. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

I thought the Waves GTR suite had some decent sounding amp modeling, too, and they provide a variety of manufacturer models, such as Eden, etc.

Really, there's a lack of robust bass amp modeling in software right now IMO. At least in regards to variety of actual amps modeled.

But back to Amplitube 3. I think this picture is a good marketing tool. :)

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Quick photo of my gear racked in a SKB Studio Flyer 4U case. The case weighs more than all the gear. I don't have a scale, but probably 30lbs or a little more. All on tidy, quick setup, and on wheels.

Overhangs the back of my Peavey 810TX cab slightly. But not to the point where it'd fall off. Stuck on top of that cab the laptop is difficult to type on as it's too high even with me being 5'10". But I can use the mouse or trackpad without any issue.

Only downside to this case is it's a Roto molded case which I personally dislike. That means it has threaded rack rails instead of the clips. While I hate the clips, they can be replaced if something strips out. And Roto cases have no rear rack rails. I'd have preferred to have stuck the Furman in some rear rails and left 1U for something else. Not that I can think of anything to stick in there. But a 1U preamp just in case would've been nice.

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I'm personally using a re-purposed Gateway T-6836 with Windows 7 32 bit. Fairly generic specs. Core 2 Duo @ 2 Ghz, 4GB RAM, 250GB HD, 14.1" LCD. Churns out a ton of heat via a side fan vent. CPU doesn't appear to get taxed easily according to the CPU meter, though Cantabile has some sort of "audio processing" % it calculates which often goes up to around 50% with less than a dozen VST running.
 
I am looking to get into this software arena. I am starting with nothing as far as software is concerned. For hadware, I have 2 mac minis, older ones @ 1.66GHz Core 2 Duos and 2GB ram.

I am looking to do some basic recording, and to use some virtual amps/effects.

I am currently playing as a hobby. I am anticipating 4-10 gigs per year, but I would like to consider using the virtual gear in the live setting.

THings I am most interested in effects:

An amp sim. I don't care about nailing an amp perfectly, as much as getting a good solid tone. A few effects: envelope filter, some very light tube fur (not quite fuzz or OD), some chorus, compression, other effects would be fun for experimenting.

I have both OS X licenses from 10.4 through snow leopard and Win XP. I can run one computer with each if necessary, or both with either.

Back in my past, I did have a full Hardware based protools rig when Mac G3s were top of the line, so I am used to software based recording interfaces. I have been away from music for about 10 years though, and everything is changed.

For recording, I am interested in mixing midi instruments and audio tracks. I have a drummer with V-Drums, and I would like to drop his midi tracks in and be able to edit and mix the individual drum bits.

As far as I can tell, ableton live should be able to handle my recording needs. The bass amp/effects stuff might be handled with ableton as well, but perhaps Amplitude or Guitar Rig 4 would be better.

Also, I am having a hard time finding a full version of Guitar Rig 4 software only. I don't want to spring $400 for the software with controller, and interface. I would prefer to buy those elements separate. Bidule did not strike me as the kind of thing I am looking for, but there are no demo audio or video tracks, and I have not read through the site thoroughly.

I would prefer to remain mac only if I can get what I am looking for, but I am willing to go to XP if needed.

Any recommendations on what I should be looking at to get started are certainly welcomed.
 
Another plug for Bidule. It can look insanely confusing at first glance due to all the items and spaghetti connecting them. However, I think I've boiled it down to be as simple as possible as seen in the image below.

I get a mono input from my interface, a MIDI input from my interface, and run each into a switcher. The switcher can accept PC# and switch to the matching channel. Each switcher can be anywhere from 8-128 channels so you won't run out of possibilities.

The switchers make sure the signal is routed to only a single channel at a time, thus MIDI changes aren;t affecting paramenters in your unused signal chains. And you can link the processing mode to external items to the switchers, for example I set my "songs" to be enabled for processing when their channel is selected, and muted for processing when they are not. Thus I'm only loading and using the VST in each song at any given time.

I run each channel from the switcher into a "song", which is simply a group. Inside each group is my VST signal chain. It can be whatever you want. Virtual instruments, analog signal paths, split your signal via a matrix and run multiple chains, sky is the limit.

Then each "song" outputs back into a mixer which simply lets me accept the output from each "song", routes it to stereo outs, through a gate and master limiter, then to back out through my interface.

I think it's about as simple as you can get for a basic setup that gives you a clean layout, and bumps everything into a logical "song".

I'm likely ditching Cantabile for Bidule unless Bidule produces some problems. But it's way more robust. Can run as a VST within other apps, supports ReWire (Cantabile can't do either), and the Bidule forums are much, much more active. In fact, I emailed Cantabile support this past Sunday and haven't yet received a response at all. Extremely disappointing.

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Just to prove this thing works. Here's a quick 1-take ad-hoc jam. Note where it sounds like a bad cassette/reel tape warping is simply me being an utter novice playing fretless bass. Even with a lined fretboard it's hard to keep the notes on target. Straight bass guitar and effects, no MIDI triggered synths, no drums (beat synced filter just happens to give a nice kick-like drive). Endless fun awaits me! :)
 
The latest Axe-Fx firmware update really made a huge difference for me. The compressor is awesome now and the highs on all the models are much more pure sounding. I've got an interesting little rig going on now. I run my bass into the Ultra and have my laptop interface strung through its effects loop. That's really opened up a lot of options for me.

For one, there just really isn't anything even close to the Axe for tube amp simulations at all. It took me a good while to get comfortable with tweaking the amps for bass but there really are several simulations that I don't think I could live without now.

I've made variations on the "Tube Pre," "Jazz" (Roland JC-120 Jazz Chorus), "59 Bassguy" (Fender Bassman), "Double Verb" (Fender Twin Reverb), "USA Clean" (Mesa Boogie MkIV Clean), "Buttery" (Budda Twinmaster), "Jr. Blues" (Fender Blues Jr.), and "SV Bass" (Ampeg SVT) models. I've definitely found the Fender models to break up in a really smooth way when set right for bass. The Tube Pre is straightforward but beautiful. As I've gotten better at editing patches, I've really warmed up to the SVT model in a big way.

I had been kind of down on the 8x10 cabinet model for a while and usually stuck with the 4x10 as my main cab, occasionally adding an auxiliary 1x15 or 2x12. But lately I've been really digging the AKG D112 model on the 8x10. I'm going to experiment with impulse response cabinets and see if GreenBoy might be willing to help design an IR for one of his 15/6/1 cabinets. I'm using one right now and it's been perfect with the Ultra.

The 5-band parametric EQ's are great and as of the last firmware update, the compressor block is actually very good and provides zero-latency compression with minimal artifacts when I need it. Overall, I find the Ultra very flexible as an amp but am constantly amazed at how natural it sounds.

A lot of the stuff I'm working on now calls for a less natural and more processed sound. So actually, I usually run my input signal straight into a subtle compressor and then split it two ways with one half of the signal going to a tube amp on the Axe and the other half going to my laptop via the Ultra's routable FX loop.

In software land, I'll aggressively scoop my mids and then proceed to shape the low and high end exactly as I'll need it for the track. I use Fabfilter's Pro-Q to carve the mids away. Then, I'll use a fancy "color" EQ or saturator to add harmonics and density to the lows that aren't so much heard as they're felt psycho-acoustically. The Nomad Factory Pulse-Teq EQ is great for this sort of thing because you can boost the lows until you get the right kind of saturation going on, and then attenuate them with a second knob without losing the coloration. I basically do the same thing to the highs until they get crisp but not annoyingly so.

I'm usually over-driving the Pulse-Teq as an effect so I tend to low-pass everything to remove any harsh highs and then smooth it all out with a limiter of some sort. I'm also really digging the Stillwell Vibe-EQ for stuff like this. It has a great sound and it's $39.

Meanwhile, I carve the lows and highs out of the tube amp signal on the Ultra and isolate the parts of the sound that are most audible in the mix, roughly 400hz-2khz. I mix the two sounds together with a Mixer block and then maybe run them through a really light compressor if they need to be glued together anymore. Sometimes I send both of them to a cab sim, sometimes just the Axe, sometimes each signal gets a different cab, it depends on what I'm going for.

Synth-wise, things have gotten CRAZY every since I decided that I wanted to preprogram automation for stutter effects, granular pitch shifters, distortions, reverse delays, etc. on stage in Logic 9 but so far so good. The basic formula is Bass->Synth Block(s)->Compressor->Hard Noise-Gate Side-chained to dry input signal->lots and lots of stuff. I can definitely cop some gated fuzz tones with combinations of the Ultra's Drive and Amp blocks.

I'm also using Ohm Force's Ohmicide as a multi-band distortion and dynamics processor/gate. Nothing every leaves Ohmicide with a sloppy envelope period, and I have a lot of control over the frequency balance in a way that sounds much more extreme and angular than EQing would. Check this plugin out it's amazing.

I've got a few software filters that I really dig. Ohm Force Quad Frohmage is without a doubt the deepest and nastiest of the bunch with a ton of filter models including a great "Moog" filter, saturation and overdrive options, 4 filters in serial or parallel, very nice envelope follower, etc. The filter in U-he's Uhbik is also top notch and very easy to use.

For anything that needs more phatness, I bust out Camel Audio CamelPhat. It's a fantastic coloration tool with a filter, envelope follower, tube overdrive, distortion, bitcrusher, exciter, EQ, hilariously exaggerated compressor, band-pass filter, LFO, flanger, it's a ton of fun, sounds great, and doesn't take much of a hit on my CPU.

Fabfilter Volcano 2 is definitely the most powerful filter I've come across and it has a TON of modulation options, filter models, side-chain options, etc. I use Volcano for beat-synced LFO filtering, stepping wobble basses, anything flashy and fun that would have either been intensely time consuming or borderline impossible with hardware. I'd like to try out the SoundToys FilterFreak at some point but it's a) very expensive and b) I already have a ton of filters.

This post is already way too long but if anyone is interested in using a MIDI-foot controller to trigger sequenced effects with crazy MIDI routing in your DAW, give me a holler.
 
P.S.: gastic, I didn't see your post about Bidule until just now. I've been, tracking, mixing, and producing this band in Chapel Hill and was running into serious RAM issues at one point when I was tracking some funk rhythm guitar parts in Amplitube 3.

I screwed up and showed him how cool Voxengo Elephant 3 was and he fell in love with what it did to his tone and wanted to track with it as well as Amplitube in high resolution mode and the "perfect" subtle analog chorus. Normally, I would have pushed one core on the Macbook Pro really hard and might not have been able to do it, which would have been reasonable but hey, when you're the lowly producer, you have to make magic and be all smiles.

I opened Bidule, assigned all of the effects to different cores, saved all the soft synth settings and then reopened and reallocated them in Bidule as well. I was able to get at my 6GM of RAM instead of being restricted to the 4GB that Logic is confined to in 32-bit mode.

DUDE. Bidule routed to Logic is AWESOME and I'd own it just for that reason, but it also evens out the CPU load and actually takes advantage of the multi-core processor. I'm running an RME Multiface II as my audio interface via RME's proprietary PCIe -> ExpressCard system and I was able to do all of that, track at 64 samples w/ ~4-5ms of latency, and keep all of the other tracks enabled without ever really going over 40% on either core AND monitor the dry guitar signal at 0 latency via RME's TotalMix as well as the processed signal and create a separate headphone mix for the guitarist.

Once the hype around the new Macbook Pro's dies down and they start wildly depreciating, I think I might sell this laptop, upgrade, and take advantage of the 8GB of RAM that the new models support. As far as I can tell, Bidule is the only plugin (at least in Universal Binary format) that can get you such radically improved and balanced performance on a multi-core system. With a 2.8Ghz processor, 8GB of RAM, the Multiface, Bidule, and Logic, I feel pretty confident that I could run almost any project that people would normally need a huge desktop for.

This little Bidule is really amazing and is totally applicable to anyone on any DAW on any platform. Everyone out there is complaining about processing duties being improperly balanced across their double or quad-core processors and a ton of people out there are running really expensive setups and only getting any real use out of one core at a time.

How deep are you into Bidule right now? It's really powerful and really deep but I'm not sure if I should invest the time to learn it given how much automation I'm running on stage in Logic and how powerful Logic's Environment and transformers are for MIDI. I definitely want to start building thicker parallel-processed sounds though and Bidule seems great for that.
 
Hey so I was wondering if you guys could help me with software effects. My needs are purely for recorded stuff so it isn't realtime...meaning latency and cpu loads arent an issue. I have been playing around with software effects and am looking for help a few things. For some reason I have yet to get any useable sounds out of software effects. I use ableton live and the ohm force plugins jufros talked about earlier but none of the envelope filters sound anything like what I want. I just want the classic bootsy collins or flea type envelope sound and all of hte ones ive tried just sound nothing like that at all no matter what I do with the settings. I have a passive bass.
Should I record directly from my bass, or should I run my bass through an amp first? I feel like these plugins aren't meant to sound as bad as they do with my bass and I don't know why.
ALSO, I am trying to get the following sounds from a recorded bass track and any help would be VERY appreciated. Please include any and all specifics you can for settings, and signal order I can use in Ableton Live. The sounds I wanna get are:
-A pad type sound from my bass, and
-Somehow use my bass to play good sounding lead lines that aren't in the same frequency range as my bass lines
 
Check out Fretted Synth's totally 100% *FREE* audio-tracking software synths for all your pad/lead needs. Really good tracking as long as you play cleanly and in the upper registers. It's important to note that he has a variety of synth related apps, all with different features, oscillators and effects. TrippLead, Bastard, SaffronPro.

For evenlope stuff I'd refer to Jufros for that. But you should be able to bend one of the many filtering apps to your liking.

Omforce QuadFromage (I always find Ohmforce apps difficult to use and tweak)
FabFilter Volcano
Tone2 FilterBank (filter centric, but also includes additional effects like sequencer, distortion, delay and is really easy to use)

You'd want to apply filters after your bass and standard effects and probably after your amp. You can always record DI out and cab out simultaneously (good use for a BOSS LS-2), then try applying your effects to both to see which sounds better to you.
 
+1 I feel your pain, have demoed them on Windows and yes they are awesome. They are less awesome alternatives and if you get creative, you can still do a TON with them. g&l, I just got your PM about Quad Frohmage and your filtering needs.

For starters, I would say don't expect to be able to get anything done in any of the Melohman plugins for a while. They have the wonkiest UI's on the planet and nothing is ever labeled intuitively. I use Ohmicide, QuadFrohmage, Minimonsta, and Symptohm almost every day but they have a learning curve.

The free Frohmage plugin will definitely suite your needs though and for simple envelope filter sounds, Quad would be overkill. Also in general, Moog-style filters make horrible traditional envelope filters.

If you're just getting into this, do yourself a HUGE favor and demo Volcano 2 right now. Everything makes sense in about 20 minutes and it's really pretty looking all the time. You can drag and drop, etc.

I actually don't use either of those for simple envelope filter sounds though. 25% of the time, I use Logic 9's Filter because it sounds really nice on bass. The other 75% I'll go for something more overtly vowelly and hope that I get away with it, for which Sugar Bytes WOW is the proper tool.

If you want, I'd be happy to make you a preset in any of these filters that you can load into the demo. What kind of bass/strings are you playing and where do you set your tone knob?