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- Dave
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Anyone else just HATE Apple?
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- Dave
Speaking from the pro video world (among other things, my company designs and installs studios and head ends), Final Cut is outselling Avid like mad. Our NLE expert works for me. In the last year, we've installed 5 or 6 Avids. We've installed dozens of FCP systems.
We're resellers for both, both have their adherents...but FCP has been dominating in our markets.
-Mark
...never mind the Mac users
It's the fanatical Microsoft Lemmings ever more worried about Mac's rising popularity.
I figure Macs have always had superior design and hardware generally until now. I think the playing field is pretty level now for obvious reasons.
It's the tools that use Macs that freak me out. All the tosser names they come up with thinking it's something new and special. When really it's either wireless ethernet, DNS or a serial bus.
On the other hand you have the it must be intel and windows or it's legacy and old.
Both teams are just as bad as each other to me and it would be a buzz if one day people can just enjoy what THEY want to use. I'm forced to use both and lots of Linux for work reasons and they seem to all have their good and bad points.
The old P Vs J syndrome.
It's the tools that use Macs that freak me out. All the tosser names they come up with thinking it's something new and special. When really it's either wireless ethernet, DNS or a serial bus.
On the other hand you have the it must be intel and windows or it's legacy and old.
Both teams are just as bad as each other to me and it would be a buzz if one day people can just enjoy what THEY want to use. I'm forced to use both and lots of Linux for work reasons and they seem to all have their good and bad points.
The old P Vs J syndrome.
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I have a mac at home and pc at work. The mac is alot better when dealing with graphics and hi-res images. I personally find the mac really user friendly but that is just me. As far as the iPOD, I guess there are better mp3 players out there (I hope you weren't going to say that stupid MS Zune), but Apple created the market and I have had no issues with our 2 ipods. Lastly, the marketing is brilliant, sorry! The mac vs pc commercials are really creative and very entertaining. Finally in regards to arrogance, I'm not so sure that the mac users are any more arrogant than the IT department guys who all hate macs and love their "IBM's"!
The way I see it, Mac fans are like Tool fans and PC fans are like Rolling Stones fans. Let me explain:
Tool Fans - they are way to into the band, they think they see all sorts of levels of depth to the lyrics and amazing things that no-one else can do in terms of the technicalities of the music. However, at the end of the day, they do actually dig a cool band that does what it does really well, they are just way to over-zealous about it.
Rolling Stones Fans - they really know that the band is over the hill, hasn't done anything really interesting in a long time and there is something new and better out there. The problem is that they grew up with the Rolling Stones and its what they are used to. And, at the end of the day, as old and outdated as the Stones may be, when they do work (which isn't all the time), they are still an awesome show.
$0.02.
Tool Fans - they are way to into the band, they think they see all sorts of levels of depth to the lyrics and amazing things that no-one else can do in terms of the technicalities of the music. However, at the end of the day, they do actually dig a cool band that does what it does really well, they are just way to over-zealous about it.
Rolling Stones Fans - they really know that the band is over the hill, hasn't done anything really interesting in a long time and there is something new and better out there. The problem is that they grew up with the Rolling Stones and its what they are used to. And, at the end of the day, as old and outdated as the Stones may be, when they do work (which isn't all the time), they are still an awesome show.
$0.02.
Can you be more uninformed? A PC will do everything a MAC can do and much MUCH more for 2/3rd of the price. Period.
The fact is, that if you know anything about anything about computers, you know that a computer is a computer and a MAC is exactly the same thing as a PC. You may like OSX better for its simplicity or just like the MAC design better, but it does NOT make it a better computer, period.
It makes it a simple machine extremely limited so that any idiot can use it.
Can you be more uninformed? A PC will do everything a MAC can do and much MUCH more for 2/3rd of the price. Period.
The fact is, that if you know anything about anything about computers, you know that a computer is a computer and a MAC is exactly the same thing as a PC. You may like OSX better for its simplicity or just like the MAC design better, but it does NOT make it a better computer, period.
It makes it a simple machine extremely limited so that any idiot can use it.
Dammit Morf, I was just starting to like you too.... you obviously know absolutely nothing about Macs.
FACT: A modern Mac can do EVERYTHING a PC can do. All Macs can run Windows now, remember? In addition to that, you can run OS X gain all the benefits that come from that. And in no way does OS X make a Mac more limited - try telling a Unix sysadmin that their computing experience is limited. If anything, you've got more low-level, command-line control on a Mac than you have on Windows. Having a easier-to-use GUI in no way makes the underlying OS architecture any less sophisticated. Ever since Windows NT first came out, Microsoft have been seeking to make their OS as versatile and secure as Unix, and they haven't managed it yet.
There's also a load more things a Mac can do straight out of the box that no PC running a regular install of Windows can - multitrack music recording, for instance, since GarageBand is included with the OS. DVD editing and creation. Photo retouching. All straight out of the box, nothing to install, no worries about faffing around with drivers. Oh, and for the power users out there, you can program a Mac straight out of the box too, since the OS comes complete with its own C++ compiler - something Microsoft makes you pay through the nose for.
The only market segment that the Mac is lagging behind on is OS X-specific games. But, if you're a gamer, install Windows on another partition and play your games using that. That's what I do.
The way I look at it, with a Mac, I have the best of both worlds. I can do all my everyday computing with OS X, and switch to Windows for the odd occasion I want to play a game or where I might have to use a Windows-specific application. That, to me, is worth paying that bit extra for.
Yeah, maybe in another decade, they'll reach a double digit percentage market share!...never mind the Mac users
It's the fanatical Microsoft Lemmings ever more worried about Mac's rising popularity.
- Dave
Who is talking about windows? I'm running Linux in parallel with windows, and I have the best of both worlds.
As for OS X, my "limited understanding of it" still tells me it can be installed on any PC if you know what you're doing.
So in the end what do you have? An average computer in a fancy box for a lot more money with a lot less functionality for the average user, period
Actually, you can download this for free:
http://www.microsoft.com/express/vc/
The Mac simply ships with GCC a command-line compiler that anyone can get for free on any platform. Their XTools development system is similar to free tools you can get from Microsoft.
Additionally, you can get a free version of Qt for developing open source software on Windows (and Mac and Unix).
I develop software for Windows, Mac and Linux. Windows is by far the easiest to develop on. Mac and Linux suck donkey balls in comparison.
I dread having to do anything on my Mac except play MP3s. I really tried to like it too. I wanted to like it. Apple made me hate it. I won't go into the details why but there is plenty of suckage in there.
- Dave
Who is talking about windows? I'm running Linux in parallel with windows, and I have the best of both worlds.
As for OS X, my "limited understanding of it" still tells me it can be installed on any PC if you know what you're doing.
So in the end what do you have? An average computer in a fancy box for a lot more money, period
OK, you've just gone up in my esteem a little for being a Linux user.
Yep, you can put together a "Hackintosh" running a hacked version of OS X if that's your thing. This kinda negates one of the advantages of the Mac platform in the first place though - the fact that, having standard hardware, you do away with the need for custom drivers and the hassle that can cause. If you crave hackability, and you enjoy tinkering with drivers and so on, then you could go this route and spend less. I've thought about it before, since I'd like something with the power of a Mac Pro, but can't really afford it.
The premium you pay for a Mac is for several things:
1) The OS and its associated bundled applications. The only legitimate and legal way to use OS X is on a Mac.
2) Cutting-edge industrial design and innovation.
3) Apple's excellent customer support.
If that's all worth it to you, get a Mac. If not, get a PC. Pretty simple really.
The first Mac I bought (LCII, around 1987) is still running as is every other Mac I have owned. Wintel machines I have used over the same period have crapped out very 5 years or so.
Hard to use? As someone who has been using computers at work and home since 1983, I have always found Macs easier to use. I suppose if you started out on Wintel machines, a Mac might seem harder to use because the OS does things differently so shortcuts you've gotten used to are no longer there.
Yeah, it's just you.
P.S. Over the years I have used many other computers, including TRS-80, Atari ST, VAX, Sun, HP (Unix), CP-M so I'm not a Mac bigot. I have both Wintel and Mac at home.
In the good name of Hashem, this is the dumbest discussion ever. Get lives damn it, does it really matter which one you think is better? Both are equally good and equally terrible. My analysis:
Macs (OSX and above): Good for music/video/website creation and has buisness tools (OMG it's called office) and a windows emulator
Windows vista:In early stages, the pattern microsoft has always displayed over time is first they introduce a **** product, see consumer reaction, then fix/ upgrade it to make it f***ing great. It can do everything a mac does plus games (which really doesn't matter due to the emulator)
The only thing slightly better is the ability to upgrade parts on "windows" computers, which is redundant since microsoft makes an OS, not computers.
Macs (OSX and above): Good for music/video/website creation and has buisness tools (OMG it's called office) and a windows emulator
Windows vista:In early stages, the pattern microsoft has always displayed over time is first they introduce a **** product, see consumer reaction, then fix/ upgrade it to make it f***ing great. It can do everything a mac does plus games (which really doesn't matter due to the emulator)
The only thing slightly better is the ability to upgrade parts on "windows" computers, which is redundant since microsoft makes an OS, not computers.
Not to be impolite, but this is rubbish. I'm glad you like your Mac, but don't make up stuff about PC's.
Yep... but it doesn't come standard with the OS. But point conceded, since the last time I looked, VC++ Express was a 30-day trial - seems it's actually free now. Shame it still uses that horrible Visual Studio interface though...
