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Anyone else just HATE Apple?

#201
Rusty Chainsaw said:
OK, you've just gone up in my esteem a little for being a Linux user. :D

Yep, you can put together a "Hackintosh" running a hacked version of OS X if that's your thing. This kinda negates one of the advantages of the Mac platform in the first place though - the fact that, having standard hardware, you do away with the need for custom drivers and the hassle that can cause. If you crave hackability, and you enjoy tinkering with drivers and so on, then you could go this route and spend less. I've thought about it before, since I'd like something with the power of a Mac Pro, but can't really afford it.

The premium you pay for a Mac is for several things:
1) The OS and its associated bundled applications. The only legitimate and legal way to use OS X is on a Mac.
2) Cutting-edge industrial design and innovation.
3) Apple's excellent customer support.

If that's all worth it to you, get a Mac. If not, get a PC. Pretty simple really.
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1) With a PC you usually get windows with plenty of apps. You have access to the widest library of software online ever created by mankind.
2) Not really. At the price you pay for it, you can have better design and innovation on a PC.
3) Single and only customer care, yes. As great as it may be, you can get free information about any kind of windows/PC problem by googling it. If you can't bother that, you can use one of the 1000s of cheap support hotlines anytime, or heck, call the neighbor. It doesn't get any better than that.

If that's all worth it to you, get a PC, If not, well, get a PC :)
 
#202
morf said:
1) With a PC you usually get windows with plenty of apps. You have access to the widest library of software online ever created by mankind.
2) Not really. At the price you pay for it, you can have better design and innovation on a PC.
3) Single and only customer care, yes. As great as it may be, you can get free information about any kind of windows/PC problem by googling it. If you can't bother that, you can use one of the 1000s of cheap support hotlines anytime, or heck, call the neighbor. It doesn't get any better than that.

If that's all worth it to you, get a PC, If not, well, get a PC :)
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1) True - the Windows platform does have more available software than the Mac. But, with a Mac, you have access to all that software too, if you want it, and just as good, OS X-specific software if you don't. Quality over quantity, basically.
2) I haven't seen it... short of paying a fortune for something like an Alienware PC. In terms of design, Apple leads, everyone else follows. Have you seen the new Sony Vaios? They look worryingly similar to the MacBook.
3) There's plenty of information about Mac troubleshooting on Google too, you know. Macs seem to go wrong less than Windows machines though (certainly in my experience), so the need for it is reduced. Plus you can take a Mac to any Apple Store and they'll troubleshoot it for free.

Let's face it, my Gallic friend. You've got a hard-on for one thing, I've got it for another. Same as saying that you might fancy blondes, and I might fancy redheads. If you can do what you need to do with your Windows/Linux setup, more power to you. A Mac works best for me for what I want to do (and this is after 10 years' experience with Windows beforehand).
 
#203
Rusty Chainsaw said:
Let's face it, my Gallic friend. You've got a hard-on for one thing, I've got it for another. Same as saying that you might fancy blondes, and I might fancy redheads. If you can do what you need to do with your Windows/Linux setup, more power to you. A Mac works best for me for what I want to do (and this is after 10 years' experience with Windows beforehand).
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Though I do not agree with your position, your last statement has been said before in this thread in a similar fashion, and I think it is time to end this shiz. It's going nowhere, not that it every does really :p

/thread.
 
#204
Rusty Chainsaw said:
1) True - the Windows platform does have more available software than the Mac. But, with a Mac, you have access to all that software too, if you want it, and just as good, OS X-specific software if you don't. Quality over quantity, basically.
2) I haven't seen it... short of paying a fortune for something like an Alienware PC. In terms of design, Apple leads, everyone else follows. Have you seen the new Sony Vaios? They look worryingly similar to the MacBook.
3) There's plenty of information about Mac troubleshooting on Google too, you know. Macs seem to go wrong less than Windows machines though (certainly in my experience), so the need for it is reduced. Plus you can take a Mac to any Apple Store and they'll troubleshoot it for free.

Let's face it, my Gallic friend. You've got a hard-on for one thing, I've got it for another. Same as saying that you might fancy blondes, and I might fancy redheads. If you can do what you need to do with your Windows/Linux setup, more power to you. A Mac works best for me for what I want to do (and this is after 10 years' experience with Windows beforehand).
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1) Not quality over quantity since for windows you have the same quality but a much WIDER choice.

2) Not really, you can get custom cases, watercooling, mod the heck out of a PC for performance for much cheaper than a standard MAC.

3) Yes, but again nowhere near as much as for windows.

I dont have a hardon for PCs, really. I just want the best quality for my money for every circumstance.
 
#205
morf said:
1) Not quality over quantity since for windows you have the same quality but a much WIDER choice.

2) Not really, you can get custom cases, watercooling, mod the heck out of a PC for performance for much cheaper than a standard MAC.

3) Yes, but again nowhere near as much as for windows.

I dont have a hardon for PCs, really. I just want the best quality for my money for every circumstance.
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1) Not really, in my experience of PC software (considerable). There's a ton of piss-poor applications for every one good one. In my experience, the crap-to-quality ratio for Mac software seems a lot lower - there's less of it, but more of it seems to be good quality stuff.

2) I'll give you that - PCs are considerably easier to mod. These are all aftermarket hacks though - no PC manufacturer, with the possible exception of the likes of Alienware, offer these kind of features in their stock models. I'd like to see more of this sort of thing for the Mac platform - I'd love to overclock and liquid-cool a Mac Pro!

3) Less demand - less supply. There's a lot less Macs out there than PCs, and there's a lot less technical issues that seem to come up with Macs (a lot less driver issues, hardware compatibility issues, and so on). Therefore it follows that there's less support material out there - less of it is required.

Again, for me, I've found my money is best spent on whatever makes me work in the most effective manner. If that means paying a bit more to make my life that tiny bit easier, then that's what I'll do. For me, I've found that I work best on a Mac. Fair enough if you don't.
 
#206
Rusty Chainsaw said:
1) Not really, in my experience of PC software (considerable). There's a ton of piss-poor applications for every one good one. In my experience, the crap-to-quality ratio for Mac software seems a lot lower - there's less of it, but more of it seems to be good quality stuff.

2) I'll give you that - PCs are considerably easier to mod. These are all aftermarket hacks though - no PC manufacturer, with the possible exception of the likes of Alienware, offer these kind of features in their stock models. I'd like to see more of this sort of thing for the Mac platform - I'd love to overclock and liquid-cool a Mac Pro!

3) Less demand - less supply. There's a lot less Macs out there than PCs, and there's a lot less technical issues that seem to come up with Macs (a lot less driver issues, hardware compatibility issues, and so on). Therefore it follows that there's less support material out there - less of it is required.

Again, for me, I've found my money is best spent on whatever makes me work in the most effective manner. If that means paying a bit more to make my life that tiny bit easier, then that's what I'll do. For me, I've found that I work best on a Mac. Fair enough if you don't.
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1) There will always be more quality for PC than for MAC, just as there will always be more crap for PC than for MAC.

2) Plenty of specialized shop will build you a custom PC according to your specs or what they think is good for your budget.

3) Less compatibility issues because a lot less compatibility to begin with. It's not about whats required its about whats available. The possibilities are endless with a PC, not with a MAC.

My life is much easier with a PC. Whenever I need something it is three clicks away.
 
#207
morf said:
My life is much easier with a PC. Whenever I need something it is three clicks away.
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Though I do like PC's personally, look at what you are saying Morf.

Your life is much easier with a PC. That doesn't mean other peoples are too, so why is everyone arguing? Because everyone is just arguing on a subjective matter, thus no one is going to change their minds, no opinions will be swayed, and no conclusion will result.

I think you guys both answered the others questions sufficiently by "This is what I like".
 
#217
I think that us Windows users should really give Mac people a break. Sure, our anti-Mac rhetoric is usually always a response to anti-PC rants from Mac users. Rarely do Windows users feel the need to complain about Macs until we are confronted by having to use a Mac or deal with Mac fanboys.

Mac users seem to need to complain about Windows and PC users to justify their use of a system that may have a few features that are marginally better than those on Windows but, as a whole, is clearly inferior to Windows for many more reasons.

What I like about Windows is that I get to spend my time getting work done, creating art or making music rather than worrying about my OS or spending hours on end masterbating to pictures of Steve Jobs.

We should not be offended by Mac fanboys but silently pity them. I haven't spent a nanosecond of my life regretting using Windows instead of a Mac. Every time I am forced to use a Mac I wonder what the fuss is about (when I'm not cursing the ridiculous and non-configurable mouse acceleration curve). Then I remember that it's not about the OS but about hating Windows and Microsoft and being part of a minority cult.

The main difference between Windows people and Mac people seems to be that Windows people use their computers as a tool whereas Mac people's computers use them as a tool.

:hiding:

- Dave

(Please don't take this post too seriously. Despite it's accuracy, it is meant to be taken in jest.) :p
 
#218
Dave Grossman said:
I think that us Windows users should really give Mac people a break. Sure, our anti-Mac rhetoric is usually always a response to anti-PC rants from Mac users. Rarely do Windows users feel the need to complain about Macs until we are confronted by having to use a Mac or deal with Mac fanboys.

Mac users seem to need to complain about Windows and PC users to justify their use of a system that may have a few features that are marginally better than those on Windows but, as a whole, is clearly inferior to Windows for many more reasons.

What I like about Windows is that I get to spend my time getting work done, creating art or making music rather than worrying about my OS or spending hours on end masterbating to pictures of Steve Jobs.

We should not be offended by Mac fanboys but silently pity them. I haven't spent a nanosecond of my life regretting using Windows instead of a Mac. Every time I am forced to use a Mac I wonder what the fuss is about (when I'm not cursing the ridiculous and non-configurable mouse acceleration curve). Then I remember that it's not about the OS but about hating Windows and Microsoft and being part of a minority cult.

The main difference between Windows people and Mac people seems to be that Windows people use their computers as a tool whereas Mac people's computers use them as a tool.

:hiding:

- Dave

(Please don't take this post too seriously. Despite it's accuracy, it is meant to be taken in jest.) :p
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Oh that was good. :D
 
#219
Dave Grossman said:
I think that us Windows users should really give Mac people a break. Sure, our anti-Mac rhetoric is usually always a response to anti-PC rants from Mac users. Rarely do Windows users feel the need to complain about Macs until we are confronted by having to use a Mac or deal with Mac fanboys.

Mac users seem to need to complain about Windows and PC users to justify their use of a system that may have a few features that are marginally better than those on Windows but, as a whole, is clearly inferior to Windows for many more reasons.

What I like about Windows is that I get to spend my time getting work done, creating art or making music rather than worrying about my OS or spending hours on end masterbating to pictures of Steve Jobs.

We should not be offended by Mac fanboys but silently pity them. I haven't spent a nanosecond of my life regretting using Windows instead of a Mac. Every time I am forced to use a Mac I wonder what the fuss is about (when I'm not cursing the ridiculous and non-configurable mouse acceleration curve). Then I remember that it's not about the OS but about hating Windows and Microsoft and being part of a minority cult.

The main difference between Windows people and Mac people seems to be that Windows people use their computers as a tool whereas Mac people's computers use them as a tool.

:hiding:

- Dave

(Please don't take this post too seriously. Despite it's accuracy, it is meant to be taken in jest.) :p
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This is funny. But very inaccurate. I have a PC. I also have Macs. All I do on my PC is run updates on the anti-virus and spyware stuff. By the time I'm done with all that I'm over it. I actually get stuff done on my Macs. Have made lots of money with my Macs, while in turn, I have spent lots of money on my PC.
 
#220
MakiSupaStar said:
This is funny. But very inaccurate. I have a PC. I also have Macs. All I do on my PC is run updates on the anti-virus and spyware stuff. By the time I'm done with all that I'm over it. I actually get stuff done on my Macs. Have made lots of money with my Macs, while in turn, I have spent lots of money on my PC.
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Thats because you're clueless Maki ;)
 

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