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Anyone else NOT into lightweight mini rigs?

If used in a reasonable manner, and there's space (and labor) to locate a large bass rig, there's really no practical downside, but often it's "necessary" within a player's mind, or where a visual aspect might bring something unique or make a statement about the band.
I think the key is "if used in a reasonable manner..." That's an statement for a different discussion. I get your point though, and I'll reiterate my original statement that it boils down to personal preference and/or experience. Need? Well, that's definitely open to discussion.
 
You are fundamentally correct. At the moment, however, the only time I can currently think of when a large dedicated bass rig is the best solution is when there is inadequate PA support. In such a case, how the bass is amplified is the least of your worries. I get your point though.

I have played in loud hard rock bands with a pounder on drums, and a Triple Rec half stack for each of the two guitars - in that situation, if I didn't bring a decent sized bass rig, I wouldn't have been able to ear what I was playing... That band played some big gigs and usually in pretty good sized venues, outdoor stages, etc... - in that example, your blanket statement is absolutely wrong... I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here that has been in such a situation - although I will agree that there is no need for such a rig for *most* players here...

This was the rig I used for the years I played in that particular band - one nice thing about having a large rig is that I never had to push it hard - so, I never had a single issue with it, and pretty much got all my money back out of it when I flipped it:

 
It boils down to preference and/or experience. There is simply no need for a large dedicated bass rig, even on the largest of stages. I played an outdoor festival a couple of months ago on a large stage. There were 18 twin 15 bass bins under the front of the stage; I have no idea how many mid- and high-range cabs were flown above the stage. With that many drivers for the front of house there is simply no way an SVT, or an other large rig for that matter, would be heard anywhere but on stage, and even then it could only be heard by the bass player standing in close proximity to it.

I don't know about anyone else but in all situations I want to hear myself coming from my own amp if for no other reason than the articulation that you cannot hear from bins under the stage, I'm not saying I can't play if I can't hear myself, I once did a whole set at at The Hampton Beach Casino without hearing a note because my amp had fried when I turned it on right at the beginning of the set, but the larger the larger venue the larger the amp I want within reason, big venues can swallow up bass on a big stage. I haven't played on a big stage for a long time but when I used to I would use the double SVT and set the volume accordingly and usually sound men liked the sound. I was under no illusion that the audience would have even a hint of the sound coming from my amp but I could hear it and my amp is as much a part of my sound as are my basses and my technique and it inspires me. I would much rather have too much amp than too little and I much prefer the sound of a lot of speakers being driven by a nice clean comparatively low wattage tube head than a couple or even one speaker being driven by a high wattage amp, the sound spreads much better so I can hear it if I move around and it just sounds smoother and easier if that makes any sense.
 
You are fundamentally correct. At the moment, however, the only time I can currently think of when a large dedicated bass rig is the best solution is when there is inadequate PA support. In such a case, how the bass is amplified is the least of your worries. I get your point though.
After returning from a gig where I used an SVT and 810, even if what you say is true, here's me not caring.

:p
 
After returning from a gig where I used an SVT and 810, even if what you say is true, here's me not caring.

:p

Did you carry it? The absolute best bass rig in existence is a *supplied* SVT/810. The next best is whatever decent supplied rig is on stage. Third best, my fancy rig that I have to carry out of the house, to the car, to the gig, out of the car, up the stairs, on the stage and then reverse all that. I'd love an SVT, and can afford one, but it would sit at home looking awesome. Maybe if I were in a larger band with a van/trailer and storage space.
 
Did you carry it? The absolute best bass rig in existence is a *supplied* SVT/810. The next best is whatever decent supplied rig is on stage. Third best, my fancy rig that I have to carry out of the house, to the car, to the gig, out of the car, up the stairs, on the stage and then reverse all that. I'd love an SVT, and can afford one, but it would sit at home looking awesome. Maybe if I were in a larger band with a van/trailer and storage space.
Some real truth right there. If my vehicle/back situation were different I'd definitely have grabbed some neo cabs and a micro head by now. In fact.... i might do that soon anyways since I might start up with a small group for bar/tavern/coffee shop gigs. hahahahha could you imagine rolling up to a small bar gig with stacks? hahahahahah i almost want to do it now
 
I have played in loud hard rock bands with a pounder on drums, and a Triple Rec half stack for each of the two guitars - in that situation, if I didn't bring a decent sized bass rig, I wouldn't have been able to ear what I was playing... That band played some big gigs and usually in pretty good sized venues, outdoor stages, etc... - in that example, your blanket statement is absolutely wrong... I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here that has been in such a situation...

I too have been in this precise position. I've played in exceptionally loud bands in the past and in such gigs have used anywhere from two to four 410 cabs blasting away. It looked cool and sounded great. That, however, was quite some time ago. I still occasionally find myself on a stage with high sound pressure. I don't "need" a large amp any longer as on the loudest stages I "prefer" IEMs to protect my hearing; bass bins under the stage provide all the tactile involvement I personally need and IEMs provide substantially more clarity than any dedicated bass rig I've tried. Wedges do fine on moderately loud stages. This is merely my preference.

My opening statement, as intimated in the OP, refers to preference. I committed the faux pas of examining the difference between want (preference) and need. Jim Croce said "if you dig it, do it." I'll paraphrase: if you prefer a large rig, use one. I'm merely suggesting it isn't really necessary. :)
 
Some real truth right there. If my vehicle/back situation were different I'd definitely have grabbed some neo cabs and a micro head by now. In fact.... i might do that soon anyways since I might start up with a small group for bar/tavern/coffee shop gigs. hahahahha could you imagine rolling up to a small bar gig with stacks? hahahahahah i almost want to do it now

Especially - stairs. Even just 2-3. I would love to have an SVT stack, but went with a Mesa Subway and a 210/115 to pick an choose for a single cab setup. If I were to get an SVT, I'd go with the head and some kind of 610, maybe Barefaced. And I'm not saying that I never will. An SVT simply sounds glorious.
 
Especially - stairs. Even just 2-3. I would love to have an SVT stack, but went with a Mesa Subway and a 210/115 to pick an choose for a single cab setup. If I were to get an SVT, I'd go with the head and some kind of 610, maybe Barefaced. And I'm not saying that I never will. An SVT simply sounds glorious.
Im currently using a 6 space rack with an ampeg svp pro, avalon U5, power conditioner, and crest ca9.... I mounted the crest in the bottom and labelled it on the outside so I crouch, lift the rack, and turn it towards me so the crest is against my chest and my grip on the handles is vertical. For cabs i run either one or two swr 8x8's which have a kickback style of handle/wheels like the ampeg 810. I just grab one side while my drummer grabs the other and we toss em on stage. Yea... its not as easy but it also doesnt take much more than a minute extra and my drummer is a huge dude so no worries on his end. It helps that we're all close friends and cruise to and from shows together.
 
Some real truth right there. If my vehicle/back situation were different I'd definitely have grabbed some neo cabs and a micro head by now. In fact.... i might do that soon anyways since I might start up with a small group for bar/tavern/coffee shop gigs. hahahahha could you imagine rolling up to a small bar gig with stacks? hahahahahah i almost want to do it now
It has been more the 15 years, but I have indeed showed up to a bar gig and set up a pair of 410 cabs; the reaction from the staff of those smaller venues, before the first note was played, wasn't pretty. I would do that back in the day as a way of getting one cab closer to my ears; the bottom cab wasn't even plugged in. It looked cool to musicians, but to others it looked loud. Like it or not, a fair number of people will hear you with their eyes. With advances in technology, I can remove the "loud looking" rig altogether. I still get positive feedback about tone, but no longer receive negative feedback about volume. As I mentioned at the beginning: it boils down to preference and experience.
 
It has been more the 15 years, but I have indeed showed up to a bar gig and set up a pair of 410 cabs; the reaction from the staff of those smaller venues, before the first note was played, wasn't pretty. I would do that back in the day as a way of getting one cab closer to my ears; the bottom cab wasn't even plugged in. It looked cool to musicians, but to others it looked loud. Like it or not, a fair number of people will hear you with their eyes. With advances in technology, I can remove the "loud looking" rig altogether. I still get positive feedback about tone, but no longer receive negative feedback about volume. As I mentioned at the beginning: it boils down to preference and experience.
some really solid points there... for us being a 3 piece black metal band, the image plays a role. hard to be visual impacting when theres that few of us on the stage with tiny amps. we did a show at a smallish venue last year that held probably 200 people and I put an 8x8 on each side of the drum riser while my singer/guitarist put a full stack on each side. We promised the sound guy that we unload super fast and that we only need vocals in the front monitors since we use each others extra rigs as a monitor on each end. It sounded and looked amazing and we were off the stage in no time after finishing.
 
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some really solid points there... for us being a 3 piece black metal band, the image plays a role. hard to be visual impacting when theres that few of us on the stage with tiny amps. we did a show at a smallish venue last year that held probably 200 people and I put an 8x8 on each side of the drum riser while my singer/guitarist put a full stack on each side. We promised the sound guy that we unload super fast and that we only need vocals in the front monitors since we use each others extra rigs as a monitor on each end. It sounded and looked amazing and we were off the stage in no time after finishing.
I like the 8X8 cabs. They sound awesome and are quite easy to get around.
 
I like the 8X8 cabs. They sound awesome and are quite easy to get around.
totally. theyre nice and warm but punch hard. I have one of them loaded with dayton pa200's... gonna get around to doing the other at some point. I run an mxr m80 distorted into the ampeg and then parallel out to the avalon... so wet and dry each get their own channel of the amp and cab. this way the venue can just take my di's and im free to use the level controls on the power amp for my stage volume without impacting what the foh gets.
 
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