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Anyone flying soon?
- Thread starter fenderhutz
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6jase5
Mammogram is down but I'm working manually
Monday I'm flying to NY from San Diego. Then back to San Diego on Wednesday and then flying to Reno on Thursday until Sunday's return. First one for work, second flight to see family.
I'll let you know if "it moved." (Seinfeld)
Personally I don't care about the searches one bit and I get a kick out of it. I fly a lot and I'd like to keep coming back to my wife and daughter. I blame the idiots that try to kill us, not the TSA. Frankly the part that stinks in this situation is the giving, not the receiving, so I'd rather be on my end of the deal any day. It makes for funny small talk/ice breakers in line.
To me it's much like the radio. If you don't like the station, try another. If you don't like the necessary security, drive, swim, take a train...whatever, just don't complain because all I hear is blah blah blah my rights blah blah blah violated blah blah freaking blah. Get over yourself and get out of my way as I have a flight to catch.
I'll let you know if "it moved." (Seinfeld)
Personally I don't care about the searches one bit and I get a kick out of it. I fly a lot and I'd like to keep coming back to my wife and daughter. I blame the idiots that try to kill us, not the TSA. Frankly the part that stinks in this situation is the giving, not the receiving, so I'd rather be on my end of the deal any day. It makes for funny small talk/ice breakers in line.
To me it's much like the radio. If you don't like the station, try another. If you don't like the necessary security, drive, swim, take a train...whatever, just don't complain because all I hear is blah blah blah my rights blah blah blah violated blah blah freaking blah. Get over yourself and get out of my way as I have a flight to catch.
i fly a lot so i guess i have to come to terms with it until it's struck down as unconstitutional, but i don't like it. so now i guess i'll have to go to the bathroom and fluff up a bit before going through security.
anyone who would sacrifice freedom for safety doesn't deserve freedom. i should be free from having my junk displayed at the airport, and i should be able to choose who gets to feel my junk. but hey, if i don't fly to the gig, i don't get paid, so i guess i have to bend over and take it until we can get them legally overturned. shame on our country.
anyone who would sacrifice freedom for safety doesn't deserve freedom. i should be free from having my junk displayed at the airport, and i should be able to choose who gets to feel my junk. but hey, if i don't fly to the gig, i don't get paid, so i guess i have to bend over and take it until we can get them legally overturned. shame on our country.
I am sure she fits the terrorist stereotype as well
I don't like Ann Coulter at all, but her directed anger is on spot with an article she wrote. I know WND is like the Weekly World News of conservative journalism but here is the article:
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The Article said:
I wish dumb was a communicable disease, then we could quarantine it.
I find it disturbing how much freedom we have to give up in the name of "national security." I don't fly, but I got searched the last time I went to pick someone up at the airport. I was [expletive] because all I was doing was walking in the door to sit on the bench and wait for my dad. And most of this stuff does nothing for security except make people feel better about flying.
/end rant
/end rant
theres an obvious difference between the two when an uninvited guests face is in yer junk.
unless you like sitting in pee, of course.
i have no issue with any of this stuff, i always have a pelican with mics etc. and get searched every time.
it's just part of the process.
Unless I misunderstood what you wrote, and I don't think I did. Based on your logic, you do not deserve freedom because you are willing to sacrifice them in the name of security, as you said, "I guess i have to bend over and take it until we can get them legally overturned."
You don't have to bend over and take it, you are choosing to bend over and take it because you want to get paid.
6jase5
Mammogram is down but I'm working manually
Wah wah wah. I don't feel like I'm giving up my freedom when flying nor my rights. I chose to have a nice job in which I have to fly as a pre-requisite and then accept all the fun of flying with it. I chose to fly commercial as that is what my company will pay for.
If you feel violated, you can always charter a private plane. You don't go through security (at least I haven't when I flew both corporate and private). Problem solved. Oh, you can't afford it? Ok, then don't fly and we're left with no issue.
Stop whining and deal with the fact that there are some people that want us all dead and planes as proven make nice vehicles for the job. Let's hear your better ideas for security as I'm sure that our folks that are in charge of this stuff just aren't really giving it they old boy scout try. Let's hear your blueprints for better security.
If you feel violated, you can always charter a private plane. You don't go through security (at least I haven't when I flew both corporate and private). Problem solved. Oh, you can't afford it? Ok, then don't fly and we're left with no issue.
Stop whining and deal with the fact that there are some people that want us all dead and planes as proven make nice vehicles for the job. Let's hear your better ideas for security as I'm sure that our folks that are in charge of this stuff just aren't really giving it they old boy scout try. Let's hear your blueprints for better security.
I wish the fourth amendment was defended as much as the second..........
I seriously doubt, "Flying to see grandma" is probable cause.
I seriously doubt, "Flying to see grandma" is probable cause.
That is, quite specifically, a right that is being transgressed by the TSA. The key is whether the search is reasonable or not and supported by probable cause. I doubt it will be questioned unless someone finds a legal grounds for challenging it - maybe the ACLU will decide to do so. The ACLU handles all kinds of cases...eventually they get into the darndest variety of cases.
Example: I don't personally think it's reasonable to limit the liquids we carry on planes - any two or three passengers could carry on parts of a liquid-based device, drop off stuff in the restroom and collectively make a bomb. That's ridiculously easy to figure out.
Unfortunally TSA is here to stay no one is going to dismantel an organization that size too much money involved. Look its reasonable to have a certain amount of safety while flying, but its gone far beyond reasonable. They won't check certain groupes of people because of country religions etc. yet our own citizens are suspect. For those who think " Whats the big deal" you need a better understand of the current state of affairs.
I don't feel like my rights are being violated, but it really is not necessary for some dude to run his fingers around the top of my underwear waistband.
I get the idea of making people safer, but I sure didn't feel any safer knowing some crummy older guy is digging through other dudes draw's at the security checkpoint. I mean really....what could I have in that one inch stretch of fabric that the body scanner and metal detector could not find?
-Mike
I get the idea of making people safer, but I sure didn't feel any safer knowing some crummy older guy is digging through other dudes draw's at the security checkpoint. I mean really....what could I have in that one inch stretch of fabric that the body scanner and metal detector could not find?
-Mike
yeah, well i could starve if that would make you happier. i'm not giving up my rights willingly, that's for sure. it's under protest and i make sure they know it every time i have to go through those damn body snatchers.
Nah man, I certainly don't want to see you starve. I didn't know you were protesting it while enduring it. As long as your creating a scene and protesting, then I'm cool with that. It's a passive aggressive approach and that is taking a stand against it too.
Look man. You don't have to insult people with comments like "wah wah wah" and down play the way many feel about this.
Planes have proven to be deadly weapons. I'm only surprised that it took the events of 9-11 to figure it out. But if you think you're any safer with these procedures in place, then I think you're gravely mistaken. You are no safer now than you were on September 10th, 2011.
People forget or act like planes weren't hijacked prior to 9-11, they were. The biggest difference between now and then is we didn't allow ourselves to live in fear of it. We went on with our lives, as we should.
Let's all, also remember one very important piece of information about the hijackings on 9-11 that tend to never get mentioned. The hijackers that took control of the planes brought nothing illegal on board and broke no laws to get on board. Up until the actual hijacking itself, nothing illegal happened.
The moral of that story is, that if someone wants to hijack a plane they will always find a way to do it, regardless of what security procedures are in place.
It is not outside the realm of possibility to think that militant organizations have personnel currently in place such as, security, baggage handlers, and other miscellaneous staff which are granted access to planes. This could easily afford them the opportunity to circumvent security procedures, which in turn, would allow them sneak explosives or other devices onto a plane.
The more security measures we put in place that restrict our rights, freedoms, and liberties, the more we cater to the will of militant organizations that use terrorism as a battle tactic; because we are giving them exactly what they want by disrupting our way of life and living in fear of them. It also helps to create some dissension within our country, which makes it a tad easier for them to carry out their will against us. It is always easier to attack someone when you divide and conquer, and to some extent, I think that's what's happening here in the states. We are gradually being divided amongst each other and our government.
I researched about hijackings unfortunately, I found minimal information on how many planes have ever been hijacked. What I did find is from 1959 - 2009. Some other research I did also stated, "The first U.S. airplane hijacking occurred in 1961" This coincides with the information I'm about to link you to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings
I am not going to include any other aircraft than the United States in this, since that is the country we're talking about with the security procedures.
Excluding the 4 planes jacked on 9-11, a total of 13 US commercial airliners were hijacked.
Two occured in the 1960's
Eight in the 1970's
Two in the 1980's
One in the 1990's
Then in 2001 we had the 4 hijacked on 9-11.
We must also take into account the total number of aircraft that fly on a daily basis and create a ratio of total planes to hijacked planes. This makes the total amount of hijacked planes a very minute figure in relationship to total planes flying per year.
Other than the 1970's, the trend remained consistently low. Since 2001, we're also pretty much, on par for the course as far as the trend in hijacking goes per decade. It is obvious that security procedures put in place post 1970's era were in fact reducing hijackings, hence making them effective. These statistics do add some legitimacy to what people are saying about post 9-11 being fueled by governmental forced fed fear tactics to keep the masses scared.
Please educate me on how we are safer now?
We have rights. If they are rights, then the government should NOT be allowed to take them away. After all, that's what a right is, something we are entitled to that cannot be taken away. If it weren't then it would be called a privilege. Flying is a privilege not a right, but just because someone buys a plane ticket and chooses to fly does not give the government legitimate grounds to circumvent your rights granted by the constitution. They put all these security measures in place under the guise of security because there are people out there that want us dead and used planes to kill us, but these same people can obtain a f****** gun at Walmart. Not to mention guns have been used more than any other weapon in violent crimes, but I'm supposed to be buying the government gives a s*** about our safety. If they did, then they'd be making it damn near impossible for most people to get a gun instead since it's more commonly used to kill people than a plane ever has.
