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Anyone flying soon?

#83
emor said:
TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine
'I was absolutely humiliated,' said bladder cancer survivor

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/
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that is fantastic!!! that's what i said i was going to do next time! that's what we all should do...pee on them, and we'll all stink up their planes and airports and cause chaos.

it's a darn good idea on paper, i'll tell you that.
 
#84
I have to fly on Friday. I think I'll just undress in line.
Hey, maybe I'll market the idea. "Naked Air Lines".
Great advertising slogan. "Fly Safe. Fly Naked. No Hidden Fees. No Hidden Anything."
 
#86
6jase5 said:
Stop whining and deal with the fact that there are some people that want us all dead and planes as proven make nice vehicles for the job. Let's hear your better ideas for security as I'm sure that our folks that are in charge of this stuff just aren't really giving it they old boy scout try. Let's hear your blueprints for better security.
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TSA is remarkable in its reactive rather than proactive approach.
Everything that they have put into place is to prevent the last thing that they missed.

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“There is an ever-evolving nature to terrorist plots,’’ TSA Administrator John Pistole told the Senate Homeland Security Committee. “It is clear we have to be one step ahead of the terrorists.’’

One step ahead? That isn’t how TSA operates. Knives and sharp objects were banned from carry-on luggage after 9/11, so Richard Reid boarded American Airlines Flight 63 with a bomb built into his shoe. Passengers ever since have had to take off their shoes, so the 2006 Heathrow terrorists came up with a plan to use liquid explosives. TSA responded by confining liquids to tiny containers sealed in baggies, so Abdulmutallab smuggled explosive powder in his underwear. Now TSA scans or feels even air travelers’ nether regions, so terrorists based in Yemen hid two bombs inside printer cartridges and shipped them to addresses in Chicago. TSA promptly responded by announcing that “toner and ink cartridges over 16 ounces will be prohibited on passenger aircraft in both carry-on bags and checked bags.’’ Just who has been staying a step ahead of whom?

Precisely because terrorist plots are “ever-evolving,’’ it is fruitless to keep trying to prevent the last terror attack. Yet that is just what TSA keeps doing. What’s worse, it treats every airline passenger as a potential terrorist who must be searched for weapons — any imaginable weapons — before being allowed to board. That is a crazy system — crazy in its ineffectiveness, in its breathtaking cost, and in the staggering degree of inconvenience and invaded privacy it imposes on innocent passengers. In security expert Bruce Schneier’s cogent term, TSA provides not security, but security theater — “measures that make people feel more secure without doing anything to actually improve their security.’’

Anyone who has traveled through Israel’s Ben Gurion airport or on El Al, the Israeli airline, has experienced what is widely considered the finest aviation security system in the world. That system doesn’t involve taking off shoes, confiscating water bottles, patting down toddlers, or conducting nude X-ray scans. Nor does it involve shutting down an entire terminal because a passenger inadvertently walked through the wrong door.

It does, however, involve careful attention to behavior, individual conversations with every traveler, and a lack of politically-correct inhibitions about profiling. Unlike TSA, the Israelis focus not on intercepting dangerous things, but on stopping dangerous people. It is hard to argue with their results.
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I'm all for security when flying. I'm not so much for the theater of illusory security that is created by minimum wage, untrained workers enforcing policy created by reactive bureaucrats.
 
#87
jmattbassplaya said:
IMHO, the terrorists have already won at this point. When you can't even bring nail clippers, a bottle of water, or cleaning solution for contacts past security, something is seriously wrong.
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You can bring nail clippers and contact solution in your checked luggage, though. I'm amazed by the 100+ pounds worth of luggage almost everyone tries to carry on these days. Hey, I don't like waiting in baggage claim, either, but cabin space is limited.
 
#89
GregC said:
I'm amazed by the 100+ pounds worth of luggage almost everyone tries to carry on these days.
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Totally.

I love the people who wedge everything into one bag to get past the gate agent, then unzip it into three or four bags in the aisle and try to put everything away once they get on the plane.

I really wish there was an airline, or special flights, only for people who are frequent fliers and have their act together.

-Mike
 
#90
Cassanova - The moral of that story is, that if someone wants to hijack a plane they will always find a way to do it, regardless of what security procedures are in place.
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I completely agree with that fact, but is that to say that you don't learn from the past and at least try to prevent someone from trying the previous technique if it worked?

Personally, I do feel a little safer, much like I do when I see DUI checkpoints nabbing drunk drivers. Sure, some if not many slip through the cracks but in comparison maybe...just maybe the one guy/faction that was going to tbone my car/blow up my plane gets caught somehow.

I also agree that no one should be forced or fined for refusing the pat down. You should be able to turn around and leave.
 
#92
Come on people....getting into a big metal and plastic tube, then going seven miles into the sky and barreling along at 500 or so MPH has it's inherit risks anyway. It isn't like flying was ever totally safe in the first place. :D

-Mike
 
#94
hey, what if a woman is, well, you know...will it get detected, too? and what about those who suffer from butt-chafe? will they be forced to give up their ass napkins at the gate? how far does it go?

this really is airline travel's darkest hour.
 
#96
I just want to say that I think it's absolutely wrong the way the security in airports are nowadays. I have a friend at work who's muslim and she said hat every time they have to fly her family is usually "randomly" called aside for additional questioning. On top of that how is it not sexual harassment for them to pat you down so "fondly"?
 
#99
i can't imagine this will go on much longer without lawsuits. if i were the bladder cancer person who peed, i'd already have a lawyer.

but what i want to know is where are the "if you touch my junk, i'm having you arrested" t-shirts?

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...touch+my+junk+t-shirt&fr2=sb-top&fr=fp-yie8-s

i guess they're everywhere!

good! i hope these bastards at tsa get what's coming to them! keep making them look like fools and they'll eventually have to stop.
 
#100
Mikaela Ellinger said:
On top of that how is it not sexual harassment for them to pat you down so "fondly"?
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There is the illusion, it is sexual harassment. They (the government) are hoping that they can use the guise of security to prevent the average person from realizing that it is sexual harassment and a violation of your 4th amendment constitutional rights.

As I was taught in my sociology class; according to a study done by Lawrence Kohlberg on moral reasoning/moral development, most adult's (IIRC approximately 80%) do not use critical thinking skills. They are simply accepting the governments word that these procedures are keeping you safer so it doesn't get questioned. It also doesn't help when the government is using the media to keep the general masses scared of another terrorist attack.
 

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