Anyone flying soon?

[beggar98]

with all due respect, that's 100% bullcrap. btw, i like how that nimrod shows "what it looks like" to tsa. yeah, that's what it looks like when you're in good shape. it doesn't look nearly that flattering if you're not. plus you can totally make out what someone's junk looks like. so don't give me that crap that it's not a violation of someone's privacy. it certainly is.

so keep pretending this is anything but a way to sell new machines by the machine inventors who are quite cozy with our government's officials. we've turned into a nation of scum sucking whiny babies scared of our own shadow. the terrorist mission is complete.

Except that's not the terrorist's mission. The terrorist's mission is to kill us. A bit different.

And who cares if some TSA agent who doesn't know who you are or where you're from and is located in a room you will never be in sees a black and white outline of your "junk"? And let's not forget that the whole thing is voluntary- you can either go through the body scanners, request a pat down, or stay home. No one has a "right" to fly. But those who choose to fly have a "right" to be protected by their government. If the necessary security makes flying so embarrassing/degrading/uncomfortable/whatever for you, stay home. I'll enjoy shorter security lines and less crowded airports while gladly flashing my junk to whoever wants to see it. When did we become a nation of such scum sucking whiny babies that everyone thinks their junk is so damn special?

 

[Stu L.]

no, metal detectors are still plentiful. all depends on the airport. in orlando, they only have one body snatcher operational right now but they're getting more. i just flew out of boston's logan airport, and every line at my gates had a body snatcher and everyone went through them. so you'll have to check with the airports you're using.

MCO is where we're headed. I can't find what DFW is doing other than they have detectors in use.

 

[Simo98]

Except that's not the terrorist's mission. The terrorist's mission is to kill us. A bit different.

Incorrect. The terrorist's mission is to instill terror, control a populace by fear. Hence the "Terror" in terrorist.

How the mission is facilitated can differ. In many cases it is via killing people, but there are plenty of other means of terrorism where nobody is physically injured.

When did we become a nation of such scum sucking whiny babies that everyone thinks their junk is so damn special?

When did the world become so afraid of "Terrorists" that a good portion of people will stand by and watch a child being felt up, because they think its "necessary" for their "safety"?


Good-bye 2010, hello 1984.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

Except that's not the terrorist's mission. The terrorist's mission is to kill us. A bit different.

And who cares if some TSA agent who doesn't know who you are or where you're from and is located in a room you will never be in sees a black and white outline of your "junk"? And let's not forget that the whole thing is voluntary- you can either go through the body scanners, request a pat down, or stay home. No one has a "right" to fly. But those who choose to fly have a "right" to be protected by their government. If the necessary security makes flying so embarrassing/degrading/uncomfortable/whatever for you, stay home. I'll enjoy shorter security lines and less crowded airports while gladly flashing my junk to whoever wants to see it. When did we become a nation of such scum sucking whiny babies that everyone thinks their junk is so damn special?

Actually, their mission has been to stop western influence over eastern culture, and to destroy the American way of life. Just saying. There's a bit more to the story than most people realize, and by simplifying it you overlook the fact that they are, in a number of ways, accomplishing exactly what they have set out to do.

 

[Lesfunk]

Anybody who believes these Xray machines and TSA Grope goons are really about keeping us safe from "terrorists" probably believes in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny too.

 

[JimmyM]

Except that's not the terrorist's mission. The terrorist's mission is to kill us. A bit different.

And who cares if some TSA agent who doesn't know who you are or where you're from and is located in a room you will never be in sees a black and white outline of your "junk"? And let's not forget that the whole thing is voluntary- you can either go through the body scanners, request a pat down, or stay home. No one has a "right" to fly. But those who choose to fly have a "right" to be protected by their government. If the necessary security makes flying so embarrassing/degrading/uncomfortable/whatever for you, stay home. I'll enjoy shorter security lines and less crowded airports while gladly flashing my junk to whoever wants to see it. When did we become a nation of such scum sucking whiny babies that everyone thinks their junk is so damn special?

if i want to think my junk is special, then it is. who are you to tell me it's not? or the junk of my kids and grandkid? what if it's your daughter whose junk the tsa agents are sizing up? still comfy cozy with that? after all, it's not at all special. "um, i'm seeing something around your 11 year old daughter's groin area...she'll have to be inspected personally." you're perfectly ok with that, eh?

shame on you and anyone who thinks we should bend over and take whatever our government decides to throw at us in the name of "security."

 

[beggar98]

if i want to think my junk is special, then it is. who are you to tell me it's not? or the junk of my kids and grandkid? what if it's your daughter whose junk the tsa agents are sizing up? still comfy cozy with that? after all, it's not at all special. "um, i'm seeing something around your 11 year old daughter's groin area...she'll have to be inspected personally." you're perfectly ok with that, eh?

shame on you and anyone who thinks we should bend over and take whatever our government decides to throw at us in the name of "security."

What alternate security measures do you suggest that are equally effective without violating anyone's imaginary rights?

 

[cassanova]

When did the world become so afraid of "Terrorists" that a good portion of people will stand by and watch a child being felt up, because they think its "necessary" for their "safety"?

This is the more important question to ask.

It's apparently obvious though that even some here at TB are buying into the government spread paranoia that Achmed the big bad terrorist is going to get them.

All this paranoia is just to keep the public eyes off the main real issue, which is money. None of this crap has anything to do with our safety and is all about those in charge making money. They can't make the money on these things if you're not kept in a perpetual state of fear.

It's been almost a decade since 9-11 and they're just now implementing these porno scanners, Yeah, I know it's new technology, but c'mon, not a single plane has been successfully hijacked prior to the gate rapes and xray scans that are now in place. Hence, I'm not seeing a legit reason to have them in place. Yet paranoid jackasses are buying into it hook line and sinker and condemning/insulting those who are intelligent enough to to think outside the box and realize that we do not need these procedures in place.

 

[jmattbassplaya]

What alternate security measures do you suggest that are equally effective without violating anyone's imaginary rights?

What's stopping someone from pulling up to a freeway next to an airport with a couple RPG's and taking a few pop shots at planes coming down the runway? How does the TSA protect against that by feeling up someone's junk when this kind of threat is completely outside their realm within the airport's walls?

What's stopping someone from getting on a bus or train with a bomb and setting it off? What about someone setting one off inside a mall, hospital, or public school? Do we need to have these kinds of security checkpoints everywhere and be forced to live in constant fear of an invisible enemy?

The thing is this, if someone wants to cause us harm they will find anyway to do it that they know how, and they will not limit themselves to airports. We can either accept this and realize that there is only so much can do (with or without the gateway rape) to prevent such atrocities and live with all our 'rights' intact, or we can subject to the fear and live under the allusion that by sacrificing our 'rights' we are somehow safer, when we really aren't. Personally, I choose the former.

 

[JimmyM]

What alternate security measures do you suggest that are equally effective without violating anyone's imaginary rights?

the way it's been going seems to be working well. well enough to where we don't have to electronically strip search everyone.

 

[Simo98]

Do we need to have these kinds of security checkpoints everywhere and be forced to live in constant fear of an invisible enemy?

Yes, yes. And people should be chipped, and cameras in their homes. Because we wouldn't want them doing anything they are not supposed to in their own home now would we?

 

[JimmyM]

Yes, yes. And people should be chipped, and cameras in their homes. Because we wouldn't want them doing anything they are not supposed to in their own home now would we?

don't laugh. that'll be next.

 

[Simo98]

don't laugh. that'll be next.

I know

 

[GregC]

Have there been any reports of anyone's genitalia actually being touched through their clothing? The words "rape" and "felt up" are being thrown around pretty liberally in here.

 

[Tom23]

I like the moaning "oh yeah" approach. All in all, this is a stupid issue. I mean what the hell is the TSA supposed to do? Idiots are putting explosives in their underwear that could blow a plane up on every flat screen home theater system from sea to shining sea, making us that more dysfunctional with purple faced rage aimed at... BY GUM, GOTTA BE SOMEONE TO BLAME!

 

[Simo98]

Have there been any reports of anyone's genitalia actually being touched through their clothing? The words "rape" and "felt up" are being thrown around pretty liberally in here.

I'm pretty sure there have been. I expect most of them are exaggerations, but still, I would certainly feel uncomfortable with some random bloke running his hands up the inside of my thighs, regardless of whether he plans to touch my "junk" or not.

But in all honesty, I don't think that is the point. The point is that it's an unnecessary process. I feel quite sorry for a good portion of the TSA employees who are just trying to do their job, and these new "safety precautions" are really just making life difficult for everyone as far as I can see. Difficult for the average TSA employee, difficult for the public, and difficult for just about everyone else. The only people who are getting any benefit would be the few employees in the TSA who enjoy "feeling up" random members of the public, and the people selling the machines. I'm sure the new measures give a tiny amount of added security, but is it really worth it?

 

[MJ5150]

No one touched my genitals, but the guy did touch my butt crack at the top. That felt really uncomfortable, but not like I was being raped.

I get on a plane again in a couple weeks. I am going to have my wallet and cell phone with me, and be dressed in shorts and a t-shirt. We'll see how it goes.

-Mike

 

[jmattbassplaya]

Go to page 6 and watch the first vid I posted. They had a kid take his shirt off in plain view of everyone in line. Now tell me there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[GregC]

Go to page 6 and watch the first vid I posted. They had a kid take his shirt off in plain view of everyone in line. Now tell me there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

It would be. However, it was the father who took off the shirt, not TSA.
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The video was clearly titled to feed the Outraaaaage...

 

[burk48237]

I tend to agree with cassanova and Jimmy on this. I'm not necessarily in disagreement with the searches, or even the technology, but rather the unblinking systematic brainless approach to it. A family of three beeps. They're pulled aside and given the wand. Again nothing bad so far. They search the bag, pat down the mom, pat down the dad, and pat down the kid. They still beep. They don't want to be body scanned so they're body searched. Including the child who is screaming bloody murder as a stranger feels her whole body. Personally I'm with the kid. It don't feel right.

I'm not opposed to any of the methods currently in place, but I can't help but feel when I stare into the mouth breathing blankness that is the TSA, that this is all just an illusion. Personally, I like the methods the Israelis use. They look at the people. They use the same technology and look for physical cues. If a person looks suspicious he or she is interrogated and scrutinized. They've learned to distinguish a nervous flyer from a nervous hijacker/bomber or the different ways different cultures, peoples, and their sexes exhibit the range of behaviors that could be interpreted as dangerous. The difference is they rely on profiling, and interviews more than body searches. It's less invasive and more accurate IMO.

Very well put! But instead we molest children and destroy colostomy bags.

The "opt out" is not showing up at the airport. Problem solved.

No the "opt out" is demanding that our elected officials follow the entire Constitution or we remove them.

The sad fact is after nine years of doing this the TSA has not apprehended one terrorist suspect . Richard Reid was caught by passengers, The Christmas Day Bomber was caught by passengers. Both did things, (buying one way tickets, frequent trips to Yemen, Pakistan and Afghanistan ) that should have kept them off the planes in the first place if the government had a minimal level of competence.

Take the case of the Christmas Day bomber, He bought a one way ticket that originated in Yemen with cash, He was barred from entry into the UK, his father had gone to the American Embassy twice and warned Embassy personnel about his son, the CIA had him on the list of Terror camp attendees and yet he was allowed to board a plane with no extra scrutiny. But the chances are some TSA employee was busy patting down some grandmother with a hip replacement and missed the guy standing in line with the Khalid Sheik Mohammad fan club t-shirt?

As far as the proper way to do it. I have no problem with metal detectors, but beyond that we would be much better off with fewer better trained-payed TSA operatives who profile and pick out suspects that way. All of the rules we have now don't make us any safer then the gun-free zone made Virginia Tech students safer. If the terrorist wanted to smuggle in fire-arms or explosives the amount of airline employees with access to restricted zones makes it real easy to do.