Anyone flying soon?

[Brad Johnson]

This is a VERY good point. It is pretty sad, but this appears to be the case with a lot of the responses. How many people showing support for this would be so supportive if the previous administration implemented it? This is a very reactionary security measure and not very progressive. I would have thought the people that prefer to wear that label would try to fit it. We should be looking for ways to stop the next probable method, not concentrating our efforts on looking at underwear. I am in agreement with the others that favor profiling. When targeting homegrown terrorism after the OK bombing, we were looking at a particular profile. The same should be applied here. This type of method is used all the time by law enforcement agencies. Not using here does not make sense. If we are callous enough to feel up or Xray the genitals of every passenger, why do we suddenly grow a conscience when trying to figure out who is more likely to bring a bomb on a plane? The suggestion that groups will attempt to recruit and use people that look different than the traditional profile is obvious. It also makes the incorrect assumption that profiling stops at how people look.

How many would be complaining if another adminsitration was doing this now?


My position has zip to do with what administration is in place. It's the simple fact that people complaining about TSA making the effort and people being inconvenienced who wouldn't normally be based on profiling alone gets trumped by everyone being scrutinized. Makes sense to me. So now we're all profiled and the problem is...?


I don't assume everyone who looks like a little old lady actually is one. Ever seen Tootsie?

And the suggestion that terrorists will recruit people who don't look like terrorists does not assume profiling stops at how people look. That's a poor assumption in itself.


So the problem is that some folks don't want to use too many security measures? Right. Welcome to the rest of the world, folks.

 

[Son of Sanford]

So now we're all profiled and the problem is...?

Apparently beyond the grasp of some and not worth arguing to this level on the internet if the platform is that some of our more aware citizens suspect the gender and age of all strangers.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Apparently beyond the grasp of some and not worth arguing to this level on the internet if the platform is that some of our more aware citizens suspect the gender and age of all strangers.

You don't? You believe what you see? You're right, not worth arguing if acting, make-up and wardrobe is beyond someone's grasp.

 

[Brad Johnson]

What will people do for money? What will people do under duress? Profiling addresses neither of those issues and they're both reasons why a bomb could end up on a plane with Billy Bob or Granny Smith. How would the inconvenienced sort that out?

 

[Brad Johnson]

Explain why this doesn't smack of "But I don't want to be profiled too!"?

 

[MJ5150]

I love how Brad pops into controversial threads now and then and fires off five or six straight posts. Sometimes including a quote so we know what he is replying to, other times not so we have to go back and try and match it up. I eventually get to a point where it all makes sense to me.

Great posts Brad. You are one of the good things about TB OT. Seriously.

-Mike

 

[Rocker949]

i'm ok with that. i'm outraged.

listen, let's not forget that it's not just the junk being fondled. i'm outraged that tsa can now see a perfect rendition of my body including the junk with their body snatcher machines. everyone has a right to dignity until it's proven they don't deserve it. this crap isn't making anyone safer. it's just a way to sell machines that earns our skeezy politicians some kickbacks.

+1

 

[Son of Sanford]

What will people do for money? What will people do under duress? Profiling addresses neither of those issues and they're both reasons why a bomb could end up on a plane with Billy Bob or Granny Smith. How would the inconvenienced sort that out?

Please do not stop at just the examples that support your point. If you really want to go wide open with all the possibilities, you've stopped way short of bringing your entire argument to fruition. If your concern for everyone's safety is genuine and not just a soapbox for you to grandstand on, then you ought to be lobbying for more measures rather than just nitpicking others opinions.

So, you are in support of suspecting everyone with Defcon 2 - like vigilence. Congrats. I bet your neighborhood homeowners association re-elcts you every year. But people can be killed or put in danger by other in a variety of ways and not just at airports. DWI kills thousands every year, I would hope you support checkpoints at every street corner. Workplace killings are a concern, I am guessing you support being frisked on your way in to the office? Profiling is used to locate and capture serial killers. I would hope the continuity of your concern supports the unilateral suspicion and questioning of everyone in the community.

If you are that frightened/concerned for your flying safety, god bless you because you need it and surely that sort of concern carries over into other aspects of your life. Work, the grocery store, clubs/bars. It has to be hard assuming that everyone is not who they appear to be and wanting to have that verified for your safety. Do you lobby for similar measures in those areas?

 

[Son of Sanford]

Explain why this doesn't smack of "But I don't want to be profiled too!"?

You have made quite a jump with that. Explain to you? Nope. I will tell you my being profiled has nothing to do with it. You can either believe me or not, I will be alright. Likely any explanation of mine or anothers stance will either be met with disbelief or you will point out that anyone who responds does not represent the whole of that opinion. So an actual response to that is cannon fodder for whatever you are already going to post. So just post it.

 

[Son of Sanford]

I love how Brad pops into controversial threads now and then and fires off five or six straight posts. Sometimes including a quote so we know what he is replying to, other times not so we have to go back and try and match it up. I eventually get to a point where it all makes sense to me.

Great posts Brad. You are one of the good things about TB OT. Seriously.

-Mike

It does make for an entertaining read at the very minimum

 

[fenderhutz]

Here is food for thought. More people died in Finland last year from falling down than being blown up by a terrorist on a plane.

More people in the US die from poverty than being blown up by a terrorist on a plane.

Where are my 8 wheeled walkers for Finlanders and some food and shelter for the poor people. Of course at the rate the TSA is going, where is the Ritz Carlton and Caviar.

 

[Son of Sanford]

Here is food for thought. More people died in Finland last year from falling down than being blown up by a terrorist on a plane.

More people in the US die from poverty than being blown up by a terrorist on a plane.

Where are my 8 wheeled walkers for Finlanders and some food and shelter for the poor people. Of course at the rate the TSA is going, where is the Ritz Carlton and Caviar.

So you are saying that we should Xray and frisk poverty? Or are you saying that we should xray and frisk poor people because they are more likely to be involved in poverty and the only way to know for sure is to see them naked?

 

[MakiSupaStar]

How many would be complaining if another adminsitration was doing this now?


My position has zip to do with what administration is in place. It's the simple fact that people complaining about TSA making the effort and people being inconvenienced who wouldn't normally be based on profiling alone gets trumped by everyone being scrutinized. Makes sense to me. So now we're all profiled and the problem is...?


I don't assume everyone who looks like a little old lady actually is one. Ever seen Tootsie?

And the suggestion that terrorists will recruit people who don't look like terrorists does not assume profiling stops at how people look. That's a poor assumption in itself.


So the problem is that some folks don't want to use too many security measures? Right. Welcome to the rest of the world, folks.

Profiling is not just based upon how a person looks, but it also includes behavior, and how they might answer questions in an interview under closer scrutiny.

 

[IconBasser]

So you are saying that we should Xray and frisk poverty? Or are you saying that we should xray and frisk poor people because they are more likely to be involved in poverty and the only way to know for sure is to see them naked?

that's it exactly!

 

[MakiSupaStar]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aff-vent-anger-security-patdown-searches.html

 

[JimmyM]

you're being ridiculous, brad. just wait till they come after you and one of your pet personal liberties that you actually hold dear just so the politicians can generate some cash for themselves with these machines.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Please do not stop at just the examples that support your point. If you really want to go wide open with all the possibilities, you've stopped way short of bringing your entire argument to fruition. If your concern for everyone's safety is genuine and not just a soapbox for you to grandstand on, then you ought to be lobbying for more measures rather than just nitpicking others opinions.

So you're just giving your opinion and I'm on a soapbox grandstanding.

Figures.


I'm not lobbying for LESS MEASURES. Duh. You are. Sometimes I wonder if somewhere in the back of some folks' minds it just doesn't click that we are at war.

At war.

So, you are in support of suspecting everyone with Defcon 2 - like vigilence. Congrats. I bet your neighborhood homeowners association re-elcts you every year.

I don't have one. But you're on a roll like Belushi in Animal House so why stop there?


I'm not in favor of giving anyone an automatic and well known free pass. That IMO is stupid. If my elderly parents were still alive and flying I'd make sure they knew what was involved before choosing that mode of transportation. And I'm sure they wouldn't bitch about it because they understood how things work too.

But people can be killed or put in danger by other in a variety of ways and not just at airports. DWI kills thousands every year, I would hope you support checkpoints at every street corner. Workplace killings are a concern, I am guessing you support being frisked on your way in to the office? Profiling is used to locate and capture serial killers. I would hope the continuity of your concern supports the unilateral suspicion and questioning of everyone in the community.

Just couldn't stick to the subject, huh? Again... figures.


This reminds me of a recent "discussion" I had with a musician I had to drive home with after an out of town gig. He wanted to drink in the car, I said I'm not going to allow it because I'm responsible while I'm driving. So he asked me "What if this were a bus?"

He was serious and I have no doubt that you are too.

If you are that frightened/concerned for your flying safety, god bless you because you need it and surely that sort of concern carries over into other aspects of your life. Work, the grocery store, clubs/bars. It has to be hard assuming that everyone is not who they appear to be and wanting to have that verified for your safety. Do you lobby for similar measures in those areas?

See, that's the really thick thing about this... I'm not frightened. Not in the least. I'm also not dense enough to think that being inconvenienced is a federal case in wartime. I guess my military background helped me see past the BS and empathize with the national mission.

And after all, I'm 9 feet tall*... what do I need to be afraid of?



*or so Jimmy tells me

 

[Brad Johnson]

you're being ridiculous, brad. just wait till they come after you and one of your pet personal liberties that you actually hold dear just so the politicians can generate some cash for themselves with these machines.

In that light I suppose it's okay for me to say that you are being patently ridiculous IMO. And as far as coming after my rights, I'm an adult... I can deal with it. Wouldn't be the first time and I'm still not whinig about it.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Profiling is not just based upon how a person looks, but it also includes behavior, and how they might answer questions in an interview under closer scrutiny.

Who said it was JUST based on anything? If it can be based on the thing I mentioned, the thing I mentioned is a basis for it. I have no idea why some of you feel the need to read more than what's actually written in plain English.

 

[Brad Johnson]

You have made quite a jump with that. Explain to you? Nope. I will tell you my being profiled has nothing to do with it. You can either believe me or not, I will be alright. Likely any explanation of mine or anothers stance will either be met with disbelief or you will point out that anyone who responds does not represent the whole of that opinion. So an actual response to that is cannon fodder for whatever you are already going to post. So just post it.

I suppose you think I singled you out?