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Are american men being feminized?
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That's because people fear that the use of large fonts is somehow a display of masculine superiority instead of the sign of incredible intelligence that it is.
Mike
I have two kids, a girl and a boy. What evidence is there that boys are being feminized? I have not noticed it
What I do think is that we no longer hold our daughters back. If that frightens anybody, then just stand out of the way.
What I do think is that we no longer hold our daughters back. If that frightens anybody, then just stand out of the way.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
so does your joy of being a man depend on maintaining some level of inequality with women?
mine sure doesn't
If you ask me, the man laws were drafted by the same people who were cool kids in middle school.
I despised the cool kids in middle school. With a passion.
I despised the cool kids in middle school. With a passion.
You mean the man laws on this site? They were drafted (like everything here in OT) by people with too much time on their hands. I see nothing wrong with them. My group of friends had a similar set. I think everyone does. They weren't called man laws, more of just an accepted set of behaviors and attitudes that we shared. Some of them might not be considered masculine. What happens on the internet is that countless groups of people spin of their sets and, as common ones are found, they get "voted" in. It's a joke.
Why despise the cool kids in middle school? They were in middle school. I'd hope you don't harbor this hate for the same individuals years later. People change.
Mike
I don't mind equality or Women being more prominent or even equal - but in my experience it is used to their advantage - and there are more and more families were Women are the bread winners. Call me old Fashioned - but I think Men should be the Bread Winners and Women should take care of the kids - we had it right in the 50's and blew it.
If they are going to stand in the foot steps of Men - then gloves off and let everything be equal. Hard to articulate for me - but there is still the expectation of a Man being a Man - while the advancement of Women does not hold the same place culturally that Men have. There is a different expectation given equal circumstances - that is the issue for me.
They want the positions of Power and Chivalry too - but still want the their Feminine Graces to be acknowleged and us to remain Gentleman in their presence. If you are equal and working in Jobs that Men held exclusively - then you have to take all that comes along with it. Can't have it both ways.
So I do think men are being feminized and marginalized to some degree. But Men are allowing this - some are being purely sucked in and others are just looking for their Mother to take care of them.
If they are going to stand in the foot steps of Men - then gloves off and let everything be equal. Hard to articulate for me - but there is still the expectation of a Man being a Man - while the advancement of Women does not hold the same place culturally that Men have. There is a different expectation given equal circumstances - that is the issue for me.
They want the positions of Power and Chivalry too - but still want the their Feminine Graces to be acknowleged and us to remain Gentleman in their presence. If you are equal and working in Jobs that Men held exclusively - then you have to take all that comes along with it. Can't have it both ways.
So I do think men are being feminized and marginalized to some degree. But Men are allowing this - some are being purely sucked in and others are just looking for their Mother to take care of them.
I think a GREAT argument can be made for the idea that women staying home and raising kids is exactly how we got here. My solution is a traditional gender role reversal. The women become the primary bread winners and men stay home to raise the kids. A 180 from your ideal is the only way to return it.
Mike
Wow, that was phrased a little harshly.
I didn't mean to imply that I have an ongoing vendetta against anyone who was ever slightly popular in middle school. In fact, I'm now friends with a couple who ran with that crew. Others, unfortunately, either moved up in the world or didn't ever seem to climb back down from that status, and still have just a little too much testosterone flowing through them. They are the people who reject everything that does not fit into their miniscule paradigm of being "cool", or, to mature that word into adulthood, "masculine."
I didn't mean to imply that I have an ongoing vendetta against anyone who was ever slightly popular in middle school. In fact, I'm now friends with a couple who ran with that crew. Others, unfortunately, either moved up in the world or didn't ever seem to climb back down from that status, and still have just a little too much testosterone flowing through them. They are the people who reject everything that does not fit into their miniscule paradigm of being "cool", or, to mature that word into adulthood, "masculine."
I think being a man is not about what you wear, how you have your hair, or whether or not you moisturise, etc.
I think it's all to do with how you behave, how you treat others, and the responsibility you take. It can be shown in something simple like opening the door for a women, or something difficult like taking responsibility for a huge mistake that you made. I see a lot of guys who think they're "men" talking badly about women, or treating them like dirt, or being deceitful, or putting themselves before others. They aren't men, IMO. They are boys.
I think it's all to do with how you behave, how you treat others, and the responsibility you take. It can be shown in something simple like opening the door for a women, or something difficult like taking responsibility for a huge mistake that you made. I see a lot of guys who think they're "men" talking badly about women, or treating them like dirt, or being deceitful, or putting themselves before others. They aren't men, IMO. They are boys.
well, also, what defines masculinity?
I mean, in 70's, the more hairier your chest and bigger your gold chain...
but, serisously, how do you put a gauge on it? what was considered masculine 40 to 50 years ago is different from what it is now.
I mean, in 70's, the more hairier your chest and bigger your gold chain...
but, serisously, how do you put a gauge on it? what was considered masculine 40 to 50 years ago is different from what it is now.
it looks like this in my future. And that's fine by me. i'll chill out and do all the housey things, fix broken crap, and build robotic monstrosities in my basement, manufacture organic compounds in my garage lab, help raise the kids and she'll bring in the cash.
Sounds like a good deal, if you're a mad scientist.
I was joking. i don't care who earning the money. It all pays bills the same. I stayed at home for three months. I'm not man enough for it. I went back to work.
Mike
Unfortunately, not very many places of employment smile upon building infernal robots with flamethrowers...or organic compounds that can cause funny visuals. hence why that shall be done at home, in a child-proof basement lab.
so does your joy of being a man depend on maintaining some level of inequality with women?
mine sure doesn't
+1000
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
man, there's a lot of pretty offensive, sexist crap in this thread. that's not what talkbass is about people.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
yeah, because heaven forbid a woman want to make something of her mind or her dreams.
my wife is an international tax consultant for large corporations. she has worked for ups, home depot, simmons, att, and many others, in her 20 year career. she's been pursued to be a revenue agent of the irs on two occasions, offered jobs both times.
she has constantly been held back and hindered in her career advancement, and underpaid as well, by ignorant attitudes held by ignorant men. and yet, she still makes more money than i do, and probably 99% of the folks on this site. and takes care of our daughter. and me.
none of the professional women i have ever met or worked with in my field (software engineering/web design) have ever exhibited that kind of attitude, even though i live in the south and a lot of the ignorant stay-at-homes have it in spades.
and of course neither does my wife. on the other hand, she's had to put up with being hit on, being denegrated, having her intelligence insulted by barely sentient proto-simians, and being treated as 3/4 of a professional, all because of her gender.
the "equality" still goes the other way.
So I do think men are being feminized and marginalized to some degree. But Men are allowing this - some are being purely sucked in and others are just looking for their Mother to take care of them.
interesting breakdown. so a stay at home dad is just looking for his mother? wow.
Exactamundo.so does your joy of being a man depend on maintaining some level of inequality with women?
mine sure doesn't
I would hope that if I had a daughter, she'd be a tomboy and beat the crap out of the boys in her class.
I do the same. I hold the door open for PEOPLE, whether they are male, female, both or neither.
