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Are american men being feminized?

Are american men being feminized?

  • Yes

    Votes: 88 47.6%

  • No

    Votes: 30 16.2%

  • Kind-of

    Votes: 32 17.3%

  • Beta-carotene

    Votes: 35 18.9%
  • Total voters
    185
#61
Honk'n_down-low said:
I don't mind equality or Women being more prominent or even equal - but in my experience it is used to their advantage - and there are more and more families were Women are the bread winners. Call me old Fashioned - but I think Men should be the Bread Winners and Women should take care of the kids - we had it right in the 50's and blew it.
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Why? Because women are too dumb and weak to work?

Or is it that men are incapable of raising children correctly?

It would have been better if women got paid the same as men, as then my father could have been a house-husband. He liked his job, but what he really loved was working on the house. That's what he did in most of his spare time. And he was the manliest man I've ever known. But his job made more money than my mom's, so she was the one who quit hers to stay home.
 
#62
Disco_Gee said:
I think being a man is not about what you wear, how you have your hair, or whether or not you moisturise, etc.

I think it's all to do with how you behave, how you treat others, and the responsibility you take. It can be shown in something simple like opening the door for a women, or something difficult like taking responsibility for a huge mistake that you made. I see a lot of guys who think they're "men" talking badly about women, or treating them like dirt, or being deceitful, or putting themselves before others. They aren't men, IMO. They are boys.
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You completely lost me at "moisturise".

Mike
 
#65
Thunderscreech said:
She's also incredibly smart. Smater than me, even, which is a second for me in the relationship world.
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Obviously. ;)

This whole thread hinges on a definition of what it means to be a man. A definition that obviously varies widely. To me, being a man means being as much like my grandfather as I can. And everything that made him a man works the same today as it did when he was my age. So I guess I'm not understanding the point here.
 
#66
I think the label of "feminization" is being misused and misappropriated to apply to the general softening up of American culture where toughness, self reliance and independence have been unquestionably diminished over the past couple of generations. It's a shame, because that really is a problem, in my opinion, and the interjection of "feminine" rhetoric into the issue is just a distraction. The weakening of the spine of many people (men, women and children) really has nothing to do with a willingness to accept more feminine characteristics in society, but it's being construed that way consciously or not.




"Feminization", by definition is when men take on behaviors typically female, such as

--being more outwardly emotional
--willingness or eagerness to discuss relationships and feelings
--working in formerly women dominated professions such as nursing
--taking a more active domestic role in child rearing and chores

It also means being tolerant of women taking on behaviors that were traditionally discouraged by society to women, such as

--adopting leadership roles in business, government and other institutions
--working in professions formerly considered masculine
--having a genuinely equal say in relationships with men
--achieving equal recognition and equal compensation for equivalent work

These are all good things and they are the heart of what is derisively called "feminization" by its critics and is a tool to discredit "feminism" as an ideology. There may be some valid reasons to criticize the modern feminist movement but there is a new "anti-feminization" movement that has the potential to take us back a few generations to a place where we would be wiser not to go. The popularity of nostalgia for "the good old days" doesn't mean that everything about those days was good.
 
#68
Here's the thing, I'm all for equallity among the sexes, my wife struggles with it everyday because she's not a 50 year old man high up on the latter (my wife is as close to a guy as I could get with out the twig a berries such a tomboy).
But that's not what this thread seems to be about.

The main issue is the current generation a young men comming up are coddled panzies.
 
#73
There are two ways to achieve equality. The first way is to force it to occur, and the other is to inspire people to change themselves, and eventually, the culture will change. Inevitably, this discussion degrades to a value judgement, i.e., that one sex is better than the other, or should be perceived to have better value than the other. In the effort to "equalize", more attention is added to females, which can certainly be perceived as promoting those attributes over those of the other side, i.e., males. And what is raising a kid "the old fashioned way" other than saying that that value system is superior?

I also believe there is no fundamental difference between men & women in terms of the mind. Yes, there are differences, but aside from physical attributes (plumbing, strength, etc.), there is no difference that has not been ingrained by cultural programming. The physical differences will never change - the strongest woman will never be as strong as the strongest man, but that does not mean that the male is OVERALL 'better' than the female. At certain things, absolutely, but then again, the female is better at other things. In order to operate a society effectively, both skillsets are needed.

There are both men & women who exhibit excellent qualities of leadership, personal responsibility, and who fit the classical "man" definition. There are also a lot of men & women who are total pieces of S. As anecdotal evidence, I have a female boss who I genuinely respect, who is on top of her game, professional at everything, and earns respect from her subordinates. I've also had two bosses (male), who I had zero respect for, as they were unethical sneaks who demanded respect for them and their position. Which one is "better"? For what reason should the female be held back while the other sorts of idiots are promoted, merely because of a difference in plumbing?

Four pages already, and not a single mention of the estrogenic compounds in American drinking water supplies!! These occur from unused hormonal drugs being flushed into the water system, as well as un-metabolized drugs passed through the body. There is also some strong evidence to suggest certain plastics release materials known to be estrogenic in nature. In this regard, absolutely YES - American men are being feminized.

ian
 
#80
Sartori said:
Well, you did. And if there's one thing I can't stand, it's whining, especially from adults.

Yes, there has been a change in the view of the American male. It's no longer acceptable to many people to view the man as the supreme authority in the family. This change is good. Also, it is becoming more socially acceptable for women to be the main breadwinners of their families. This is good as well.
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I definitely see a couple as working hand in hand to a common goal, but when it comes to certain things that I refuse to do or to allow to happen, my foot goes down and that is that.
Never was challenged about those things afterwards.:D
 

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