Are you a union member?

[spade2you]

Almost everything is about haves vs. have nots in some way or another.

 

[Humbled]

Almost everything is about haves vs. have nots in some way or another.

Can I have half of your stuff?

 

[spade2you]

Can I have half of your stuff?

Nopers. I guess that makes me the opposite of a socialist.

 

[Humbled]

Nopers. I guess that makes me the opposite of a socialist.

Worth a try.

Keep your stuff then, you heartless greedy capitalist...

 

[DerHoggz]

This is no longer a Union thread.

It's a Class warfare thread.

Kinda sad really.


Maybe that guy who thinks he's a famous bleeding athlete will tell me I have no right to an opinion.

Now you just made it about how you have a right to an opinion, but that doesn't preclude your opinion from being completely wrong.

 

[Humbled]

Now you just made it about how you have a right to an opinion, but that doesn't preclude your opinion from being completely wrong.

Well.

Now you've hurt my feelings.

 

[DerHoggz]

Well.

Now you've hurt my feelings.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

 

[Humbled]

I guess we'll have to wait for the bleeding sports-hero then.

Someone please put me in my place if he's actually a musician who's done something artistically noteworthy. I'm always open to being corrected.

 

[fmoore200]

I guess we'll have to wait for the bleeding sports-hero then.

Someone please put me in my place if he's actually a musician who's done something artistically noteworthy. I'm always open to being corrected.

I think I'm missing the joke

 

[Humbled]

No joke to miss. I'm acting like a chick I guess, creating a contest when it should be left alone.

 

[MarkMgibson]

My old man used to "if you pay peanuts, you get chimps". Firefighters, police officers, ambos - they should be well paid, or you risk ending up with substandard people doing those jobs. If I call an ambulance, I want highly qualified, educated people to turn up; people who really had to prove themselves to earn such a job. The only guarantee of that happening is if they're well paid, which they deserve to be in my opinion.

Any job that requires someone to shoulder huge responsibilities should entitle them to be paid accordingly. Whether it's a government or private sector job makes no difference, only the level of responsibility involved. Surgeons and airline pilots are well paid, so why not paramedics or firemen?

 

[Immigrant]

My old man used to "if you pay peanuts, you get chimps". Firefighters, police officers, ambos - they should be well paid, or you risk ending up with substandard people doing those jobs. If I call an ambulance, I want highly qualified, educated people to turn up; people who really had to prove themselves to earn such a job. The only guarantee of that happening is if they're well paid, which they deserve to be in my opinion.

Any job that requires someone to shoulder huge responsibilities should entitle them to be paid accordingly. Whether it's a government or private sector job makes no difference, only the level of responsibility involved. Surgeons and airline pilots are well paid, so why not paramedics or firemen?

Exactly!

Pilots are actually starting to get paid less and work more demanding shifts, yet the pay seems to be dropping. Pretty soon we'll have novices in the cockpit. Eek!

 

[Unrepresented]

Doesn't paying people $100k+ for (the rest of their) life kinda create more rich people?

Besides, you always over estimate the number or rich people. They tax the middle because we're so abundant.

While $100K is currently a very good income, I'd hesitate to call it rich. It also would likely put more people into a higher tax bracket which would mean more income than the uber wealthy who typically employ many loopholes to avoid paying full tax burdens.

This is no longer a Union thread.

It's a Class warfare thread.

Kinda sad really.

Unions don't make people rich. Unions make people middle class. Hating unions is class warfare.

Nopers. I guess that makes me the opposite of a socialist.

Or in denial of how income redistribution works. I suspect that between federal, state, FICA, FICA medicare, Disability, property, and sales taxes you're giving away somewhere not too far from that. The nice thing is, is that there are a lot of others giving that part up also, and you get benefit of sharing the product of those redistributions.

My old man used to "if you pay peanuts, you get chimps". Firefighters, police officers, ambos - they should be well paid, or you risk ending up with substandard people doing those jobs. If I call an ambulance, I want highly qualified, educated people to turn up; people who really had to prove themselves to earn such a job. The only guarantee of that happening is if they're well paid, which they deserve to be in my opinion.

Any job that requires someone to shoulder huge responsibilities should entitle them to be paid accordingly. Whether it's a government or private sector job makes no difference, only the level of responsibility involved. Surgeons and airline pilots are well paid, so why not paramedics or firemen?

From the numbers I've heard paramedics quote for hourly wages, they're miserably underpaid compared to the amount of responsibility that they take on.

 

[spade2you]

While $100K is currently a very good income, I'd hesitate to call it rich. It also would likely put more people into a higher tax bracket which would mean more income than the uber wealthy who typically employ many loopholes to avoid paying full tax burdens.

If an ex CEO made that kind of wage on retirement, you'd probably be upset.

 

[Unrepresented]

If an ex CEO made that kind of wage on retirement, you'd probably be upset.

No. My issue is with income disparity, not CEO's. They're just convenient poster boys for that.

There will always be a hierarchy. The amount of deviation between the top and the rest is part that concerns me. It was wrong slavery was legal. It is wrong in the Indian caste system. It is wrong in America today.

 

[fmoore200]

While $100K is currently a very good income, I'd hesitate to call it rich. It also would likely put more people into a higher tax bracket which would mean more income than the uber wealthy who typically employ many loopholes to avoid paying full tax burdens.

Unions don't make people rich. Unions make people middle class. Hating unions is class warfare.

Or in denial of how income redistribution works. I suspect that between federal, state, FICA, FICA medicare, Disability, property, and sales taxes you're giving away somewhere not too far from that. The nice thing is, is that there are a lot of others giving that part up also, and you get benefit of sharing the product of those redistributions.

From the numbers I've heard paramedics quote for hourly wages, they're miserably underpaid compared to the amount of responsibility that they take on.

In NY at least, paramedics have been privatized to a large extent. That has led to a precipitous decrease in wages for them.

 

[spade2you]

In NY at least, paramedics have been privatized to a large extent. That has led to a precipitous decrease in wages for them.

Health professions have a lot of factors. Supply, demand, reimbursement, ease of entry, etc. Nobody in healthcare has it easy these days. Wages can be especially low in cities with multiple colleges/diploma mills.

 

[BawanaRik]

I assume the media capitalized on guys making $100-150k for the rest of their life and retiring much earlier than the rest of us. I know it got my cheap-ass attention.

I could live great like that.

 

[BawanaRik]

No. My issue is with income disparity, not CEO's. They're just convenient poster boys for that.

There will always be a hierarchy. The amount of deviation between the top and the rest is part that concerns me. It was wrong slavery was legal. It is wrong in the Indian caste system. It is wrong in America today.

It's my opinion that comparing either slavery or the caste system to the US is not fair.

I can't see any connection or any way anyone could make that connection.

Perhaps filling in the gaps would help people understand your comment.

Thanks

 

[Unrepresented]

It's my opinion that comparing either slavery or the caste system to the US is not fair.

I can't see any connection or any way anyone could make that connection.

Perhaps filling in the gaps would help people understand your comment.

Thanks

Massive disparities between rich and everyone else is a symptom of an unhealthy society. That goes for feudal serfs and kings or hungry people in the streets while the rich live in opulence. It's an insurmountable distance and is actively maintained by those with power.