Are you a union member?

[Humbled]

Incidents usually involve others. How did they feel? Were they treated fairly?

And a couple of incidents that require union backing? I feel that's scary.

For teachers that's usually legal representation on actions brought by or against students.

 

[Vince Klortho]

No. He should have thought of that before joining the union.

Win some loose some.

I bet a job would feel real good. Have some purpose in life. Meet new people etc etc.

The policy was enacted after he was several years in.

 

[DerHoggz]

This is a difference between the US and Merrie Old. I approve

Nope, if convicted of something with a child, same thing happens here. A clearance is required.

 

[Tituscrow]

Nope, if convicted of something with a child, same thing happens here. A clearance is required.

A 'clearance' is required for what? To work with kids again?

 

[Vince Klortho]

this is entirely true.

It is part of the defined pension agreement.

It is legal as when you participate in the said pension you agree to its terms . Its a legal binding contract .

I know of a guy that got caught was warned ,was caught again and saw no pension check for a month, he was then then told a third time and he will never see another penny.

The point is if you retire and continue to do the work NON UNION you are competing against your brothers and sisters ,taking work from them . If you want to continue in your trade don't retire.

Now , if it's questionable you can ask permission to take a said job. I know of guys who have done this and more often than not they are granted permission,unless they are in direct competion with union companies .

You can work ,you just can't compete against what you just left . It's basically a permanent NON-COMPETE rule .

Also ,we have retired people come back and work projects and shutdowns ,without affecting their pension . A lot of welders will do this as they can make a pile of cash ($10-15k a month) on a big power plant project etc...

Its not all about the union people . The CONTRACTORS and BUSINESS OWNERS pushed this as well . We have guys who have their masters licenses in their trades. They are a RCH from being in business for themselves.

The union isn't the only one who pushes this rule . Don't assume that . It is the employers as well.

I was not assuming anything. In fact, you were. I'll repeat my second sentence :

This union has a policy that if you do any kind of work and receive payment for it then all of your retirement benefits are terminated permanently.

This is not a musicians union but according to their policy, he could join a band and if he got paid for playing one gig with them he would lose all of his benefits - pension and insurance. As I wrote, getting paid for ANY kind of work means he loses benefits.

I think this is completely bogus. He paid his dues for thirty years and earned those benefits. As far as I am concerned, he should not lose them for any reason or under any circumstances. My friends and relatives in the military are certainly glad it does not have that policy.

 

[fdeck]

Incidents usually involve others. How did they feel? Were they treated fairly?

They should have their own representation.

And a couple of incidents that require union backing? I feel that's scary.

It's a scary job, like being a police officer: You're expected to exercise authority, yet a few people will disagree with the outcome, and will accuse you of misconduct in an attempt to change the outcome.

 

[Tituscrow]

They should have their own representation.

It's a scary job, like being a police officer: You're expected to exercise authority, yet a few people will disagree with the outcome, and will accuse you of misconduct in an attempt to change the outcome.

I could tell you some stuff I've seen and heard in the last 20-odd years that would make your toes curl.

Union membership has proved pivotal in saving many a career that was facing ruin in the light of unsubstantiated allegations.

Having said that, I wouldn't do any other job or ever contemplate leaving my union.

 

[BawanaRik]

A 'clearance' is required for what? To work with kids again?

Thanks for taking that. I believe you've nailed it as they say.

 

[BawanaRik]

They should have their own representation.

It's a scary job, like being a police officer: You're expected to exercise authority, yet a few people will disagree with the outcome, and will accuse you of misconduct in an attempt to change the outcome.

You're dealing with a massive power imbalance here. A wealthy educated powerful person with the backing of one of the most powerful groups on the planet and you tell the vics to get their own representation? It's my opinion that's really not fair.

A scary job? I disagree. I went through a public school system and the careers that saved were at the cost of children's futures.

It's my opinion that this is wrong.

 

[Tituscrow]

You're dealing with a massive power imbalance here. A wealthy educated powerful person with the backing of one of the most powerful groups on the planet and you tell the vics to get their own representation? It's my opinion that's really not fair.

A scary job? I disagree. I went through a public school system and the careers that saved were at the cost of children's futures.

It's my opinion that this is wrong.

In the 70's, 80's and I guess much of the 90's, it was a long, arduous task for a school to get rid of bad teachers. I'm lucky...whilst being, for the most part, a teenage jerk, I was smart enough to keep my head down when it mattered and came through relatively unscathed and ultimately ended up where I am today.

However, I look back in horror at some of the practises of some of those teachers, but feel ok today knowing that that kind of teacher has thankfully been consigned to the dustbin along with chalk and overhead projectors.

Again, with much thanks to the teachers unions.

In this day and age, dismissal is a swifter, more efficient process.

 

[blue4]

I'm a Teamster and glad of it every day.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I'm a Teamster and glad of it every day.

My brother in law has been a Teamster for 24 years. His father has been a Teamster for over 45 years. They both lament about how The Teamsters is a joke these days.

Just curious how long you have been a Teamster and how there can be such disparity between their experience in that particular union and yours.

 

[DerHoggz]

A 'clearance' is required for what? To work with kids again?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. A clearance is required for any interaction with kids in a school setting. Even chaperoning an event. For everyone. You won't get one with a record.

You're dealing with a massive power imbalance here. A wealthy educated powerful person with the backing of one of the most powerful groups on the planet and you tell the vics to get their own representation? It's my opinion that's really not fair.

Teachers =/= wealthy or powerful.

LOL

 

[fdeck]

You're dealing with a massive power imbalance here. A wealthy educated powerful person with the backing of one of the most powerful groups on the planet and you tell the vics to get their own representation? It's my opinion that's really not fair.

A scary job? I disagree. I went through a public school system and the careers that saved were at the cost of children's futures.

It's my opinion that this is wrong.

Wow, with so many scary adjectives, you must be right.

 

[BawanaRik]

Sorry, I wasn't clear. A clearance is required for any interaction with kids in a school setting. Even chaperoning an event. For everyone. You won't get one with a record.





Teachers =/= wealthy or powerful.

LOL

Both, Obviously

 

[BawanaRik]

Wow, with so many scary adjectives, you must be right.

I'm glad you agree.

 

[BawanaRik]

In the 70's, 80's and I guess much of the 90's, it was a long, arduous task for a school to get rid of bad teachers. I'm lucky...whilst being, for the most part, a teenage jerk, I was smart enough to keep my head down when it mattered and came through relatively unscathed and ultimately ended up where I am today.

However, I look back in horror at some of the practises of some of those teachers, but feel ok today knowing that that kind of teacher has thankfully been consigned to the dustbin along with chalk and overhead projectors.

Again, with much thanks to the teachers unions.

In this day and age, dismissal is a swifter, more efficient process.

remember what you're talking about.

I see no change from where I sit. Except that if a teacher actually copulate with a student they tend to get fired. And this is due to cell phone technology and the fact that texting is recorded.

I don't know what stupider do the deed that I can't mention here with a child. Recording these facts, or jeopardizing a high paying job for a moment of good feelings.

And then if I consider that hopefully at least half these highly paid highly educated professionals have enough brains not to record their illegal amorous adventures the numbers become real scary.

 

[fmoore200]

remember what you're talking about.

I see no change from where I sit. Except that if a teacher actually copulate with a student they tend to get fired. And this is due to cell phone technology and the fact that texting is recorded.

I don't know what stupider do the deed that I can't mention here with a child. Recording these facts, or jeopardizing a high paying job for a moment of good feelings.

And then if I consider that hopefully at least half these highly paid highly educated professionals have enough brains not to record their illegal amorous adventures the numbers become real scary.

When you are talking about these "highly paid"workers, are you talking about teachers?

 

[Unrepresented]

My brother in law has been a Teamster for 24 years. His father has been a Teamster for over 45 years. They both lament about how The Teamsters is a joke these days.

Just curious how long you have been a Teamster and how there can be such disparity between their experience in that particular union and yours.

Unions are only as strong as the people that support them. There's a thread full of posters here bashing them and decades of laws that've been diminishing their power. It's hard to be as strong when both public and legislative support is waning.

A "joke" is probably hyperbole, but they don't have the same clout that they did several decades ago.

 

[BawanaRik]

When you are talking about these "highly paid"workers, are you talking about teachers?

Yes. I thought that was obvious from the post.

Thanks for giving me a chance to make that perfectly clear