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Are you a union member?

#201
Floyd Eye said:
Primary and high school teachers here start at around 32k. First year on my job paid about double that. Around here a teacher making what I make, even after many years of service is not very common, other than in the very affluent areas.

Most people I know aren't really making 45k a year or better, but that's really a more recent thing because of the economy.
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I started at 12.5 a year. And through work promotions developing a marketable skill set etc I ended up making a lot more.

Keep in mind that a teacher is an entry level job. Roughly equivalent to a receptionist at a corporation, but lower responsibility.

But I didn't get the breathing bonuses and summers off either. I was working, learning and deserving during the summers.
 
#202
Vince Klortho said:
I was not assuming anything. In fact, you were. I'll repeat my second sentence :



This is not a musicians union but according to their policy, he could join a band and if he got paid for playing one gig with them he would lose all of his benefits - pension and insurance. As I wrote, getting paid for ANY kind of work means he loses benefits.

I think this is completely bogus. He paid his dues for thirty years and earned those benefits. As far as I am concerned, he should not lose them for any reason or under any circumstances. My friends and relatives in the military are certainly glad it does not have that policy.
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I don't think I accused you of assuming anything . I assumed what I stated because that's how 99% of union defined pensions are. I assumed 100% were.

lots of non union sign non competes with penalties.

Ours is basically that.

Sounds ridiculous that one could never work again period . I wonder if it could be beaten ? Problem is the pension fund has lots of lawyers and time.
 
#203
Indiana Mike said:
I don't think I accused you of assuming anything .

I see your point now.

Our rules are you can't work doing the a related job you did while in the union .

For instance a pipefitter can't fit pipe ,but he can work at WalMart.He could go into sales for the companies he's worked for .

I really don't see how it would matter as long he doesn't compete.

Not saying it isn't true but it makes no sense . Maybe they all need to get together and file a class action .
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One of my things in life is people responding to reality with the comment "It makes no sense." .
 
#204
Floyd Eye said:
Around here most teachers these days work year round. I'm pretty sure at least a bachelors degree is required to be a teacher. Any idea how much a bachelors degree cost? And then there is continuing education.

Now, I do think many teachers are bad teachers and I don't agree with tenure, but as far as high school level teachers are concerned, I think they are underpaid.
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Depends on where you go for that ba. The student can't into a school like Cooper Union, that until recently had free tuition and must to a private school accepts less worthy students it can be expensive.

And any job expects the employee to remain current.
 
#205
Floyd Eye said:
It is notoriously difficult to get rid of bad teachers. This is true. Much like law enforcement officials though, I think bad ones are the exception rather than the rule.
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I was held up by a cop when I was younger. I went to the cop shop to report the crime and was asked by the sargent " do you expect me to file charges against a fellow officer?" We I had expected him to do his job buy surprise.

The armed robber/ cop eventually smoked his gun when he was about to be charged with stealing "evidence" that he was using to entice young girls to "party" with him.

The Sargent and every cop in the station were guilty of all those crimes as much as he was. It's my opinion Any cop that allows a crooked cop to continue is crooked. And the cop unions back these crooked copst up making every cop union member guilty, in my opinion
 
#206
BawanaRik said:
I was held up by a cop when I was younger. I went to the cop shop to report the crime and was asked by the sargent " do you expect me to file charges against a fellow officer?" We I had expected him to do his job buy surprise.

The armed robber/ cop eventually smoked his gun when he was about to be charged with stealing "evidence" that he was using to entice young girls to "party" with him.

The Sargent and every cop in the station were guilty of all those crimes as much as he was. It's my opinion Any cop that allows a crooked cop to continue is crooked. And the cop unions back these crooked copst up making every cop union member guilty, in my opinion
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I agree. I still don't think this applies to the majority of LEOs. None of the ones I know, that's for sure.

They are also underpaid.
 
#212
Floyd Eye said:
My brother in law has been a Teamster for 24 years. His father has been a Teamster for over 45 years. They both lament about how The Teamsters is a joke these days.

Just curious how long you have been a Teamster and how there can be such disparity between their experience in that particular union and yours.
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I've been a teamster for 13 yrs, my dad for 40, my grandpa for 25. My grandpa's dad owned a coal business that employed Teamsters. My cousins on that side I would venture to say have about an average of 15-18yrs apiece. My whole family on my mom's side (the men anyway) have been in the construction trades since before the great depression. We've some experience with unions is my point I guess.

Most disparity among members comes from a old member/young member disconnect. For instance, my union has strong benefits and pay, but has never had any kind of seniority other than lay-offs and vacation picks. If I don't perform every day, I can lose my spot to a 6 month new hire if they choose. However I do get shop stewards and such, so I'm represented in any dispute. I've been a shop steward myself. It's been well worth being in.
My father however considers the lack of seniority a disgrace. Maybe it's stuff like that they don't like.
 
#214
blue4 said:
I've been a teamster for 13 yrs, my dad for 40, my grandpa for 25. My grandpa's dad owned a coal business that employed Teamsters. My cousins on that side I would venture to say have about an average of 15-18yrs apiece. My whole family on my mom's side (the men anyway) have been in the construction trades since before the great depression. We've some experience with unions is my point I guess.

Most disparity among members comes from a old member/young member disconnect. For instance, my union has strong benefits and pay, but has never had any kind of seniority other than lay-offs and vacation picks. If I don't perform every day, I can lose my spot to a 6 month new hire if they choose. However I do get shop stewards and such, so I'm represented in any dispute. I've been a shop steward myself. It's been well worth being in.
My father however considers the lack of seniority a disgrace. Maybe it's stuff like that they don't like.
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Yeah maybe. Some of that old member/young member friction in my company too. Ironically, the younger generation are far less enamored with the union than the old heads and the old heads sold all of us out in the last contract.

Anyway, thanks for the reply.
 
#216
BawanaRik said:
I'm just asking but isn't posting a thing like "troll alert" actually a form of trolling? It ads nothing to the conversation. It short offensive and designed to elicit a negative response.

It's my opinion that it is.

What do you think? This might be interesting.
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The "alert" wasn't for you, so there is no need for a negative response. The "alert" was for other posters to be aware of your trolling.
 
#217
I was in IBEW 2313 when I worked for Verizon. They were Grade A Useless.

Over the years they negotiated our contracts to provide us with higher pay and benefits, but completely screwed us out of sick time. We were in a position where if you were sick, unless you could get FMLA approved, chances are you got in trouble. The circumstances were not fair but the union never did anything.

I was even in a situation where the elevator in the building broke. It was broken for 6 months while they "shopped for bids". I walk with crutches and was forced to use the stairs. I was told by my union that I and I quote, "Deal with it or drive to the next office an hour away". They didn't care.
 
#219
BawanaRik said:
Incidents usually involve others. How did they feel? Were they treated fairly?

And a couple of incidents that require union backing? I feel that's scary.
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I'm sure they weren't happy about being caught in a lie. All were treated fairly, but thanks for asking.

Nope. Not scary at all. It might have been scary without union representation though.
 

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