Cool. Show me the science on what I can or cannot discern. Me, Brad Johnson... or think about what I'm saying.
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Cool. Show me the science on what I can or cannot discern. Me, Brad Johnson... or think about what I'm saying.
This is when objective tests like double blind trials come into play. Your claims can be tested. That's the science that shows what you, Brad Johnson, can or cannot discern.Cool. Show me the science on what I can or cannot discern. Me, Brad Johnson... or think about what I'm saying.
My left ear lobe can detect the flow of tachyons. I claim this is true. Who's to say what I can or can't do?
Look, I don't care and I can't be arsed. There's a whole subject and it's called psychology. Psychoacoustics is a good place to start.Cool. Show me the science on what I can or cannot discern. Me, Brad Johnson... or think about what I'm saying.
That is a mouthful. Apparently and I seriously mean no offense do you even see how ridiculous that statement is?
For starters, who gets to decide what evidence is?
Here's how odd this stance is... let's say Bass Player does a review on a bass and says it's similar to a bass you don't like. Does that mean you won't like that bass... or is it just one person's opinions vs. what that bass does when you finally get it in your hands?
I can show what I'm talking about IRL. You're not here. So do you mean if I can't show it on paper? My experience tells me that's a flawed concept. I've yet to do a gig on paper.
You can do measurements on amps til the cows come home. Will those measurements guarantee your satisfaction? Sounds like it's still a crapshoot despite the "facts".
I understand the need to have groupthink and putting things in tidy little boxes. I know everyone can't test out everything for themselves. I also know for a fact that my satisfaction with a piece of gear hangs heavily on my physical experience with it, not what someone in a test space decides. And that's not rational?
I believe you believe in tachyons and would have no reason to debate that with you based on that "fact".
So you can't? Yay, science!
You're probably still not getting my point and that's cool.
What are we talking about? You say you can tell the difference between the sound of difference tone woods, right? I'm saying that's a testable assertion. That's all. Without testing your claim, I don't believe you. It's that simple.That is a mouthful. Apparently and I seriously mean no offense do you even see how ridiculous that statement is?
For starters, who gets to decide what evidence is?
Here's how odd this stance is... let's say Bass Player does a review on a bass and says it's similar to a bass you don't like. Does that mean you won't like that bass... or is it just one person's opinions vs. what that bass does when you finally get it in your hands?
I can show what I'm talking about IRL. You're not here. So do you mean if I can't show it on paper? My experience tells me that's a flawed concept. I've yet to do a gig on paper.
You can do measurements on amps til the cows come home. Will those measurements guarantee your satisfaction? Sounds like it's still a crapshoot despite the "facts".
I understand the need to have groupthink and putting things in tidy little boxes. I know everyone can't test out everything for themselves. I also know for a fact that my satisfaction with a piece of gear hangs heavily on my physical experience with it, not what someone in a test space decides. And that's not rational?
I really don't care if you believe me. Seriously, don't. I'm offering a counterpoint, in essence I'm not just talking to you, I'm talking to anyone who's reading this. So you don't have to believe me. I do. Your what I see as an inability or refusal to get what has been laid out only affects you... and I guess others your try to convince. It has no effect on my experience. That's the beauty of this. I have no issue with you not believing in tonewood other than it flies in the face of what Turnaround laid out. Not sure what part of what he said didn't make sense. Strings don't operate in a vacuum... they can be affected by what they are attached to. That's pretty basic.
I don't care if I believe you either. I'm not interested in claims not supported by evidence. I agree that different woods have different properties. I've said that already. What I don't agree with is that anyone would be able to tell the difference if they were properly tested.
I never said anyone could do anything... so now this conversation makes less sense.
And you are obviously free to not believe anything I "claim". There are people that do somewhat trust my judgement and maybe it'll help them along the way. Maybe not.
It CAN. That's been one of my points all along. CAN is not an absolute like CAN'T or WON'T or DOESN'T.
Folks keeps talking about what can't, won't or doesn't happen unless they see scientific proof. Funny stuff.
Not a fun project. The burden of proof lies on the claimant.Fun project: Prove scientifically that wood CAN'T make a difference.
Actually, I wasn't expecting anything... Just trying out some basses & was kinda surprised by the differences. Now, if were to do the same thing, I would expect to hear a difference because I know it's real. There will always be "tone-wood unbelievers"- I lump them in with the flat-earther's & no- moon landing folksWhat some are saying is that you probably expected to hear a difference so you did. Even have a name for it. The funny thing is that they start out with preconceived notions too.
IME slapping can bring out tonalities that playing less-aggressive fingerstyle might not. Generally speaking I've found the same sort of tonal differences between Ash and Maple bodies. Generally speaking.
Actually, I wasn't expecting anything... Just trying out some basses & was kinda surprised by the differences. Now, if were to do the same thing, I would expect to hear a difference because I know it's real. There will always be "tone-wood unbelievers"- I lump them in with the flat-earther's & no- moon landing folks
LOL
I wasn't referring to you. You actually tried out some basses. Now send in your samples and get back to us when the labs come in. Fingers crossed.
j/k. This stuff gets deep. All in good fun.
Such a negative way to go through life. You won't believe something is possible until someone else proves it to you.
I took the opposite approach. I played a buttload of basses. Way more fun IMO. Informative too.
People are clearly claiming that it doesn't matter. That's an absolute. Where's their proof? No one is claiming that it WILL.
Or don't people who proclaim the impossibility of something also have a burden of proof?
I'm seeing a pattern here.
